09-06-2011, 01:11 PM
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HtownLove
THe HOV lane only seems empty to you because they are supposed to be that way. you can't expect bumper to bumper traffic on the HOV because they were designed to be the opposite of that. you only see it as empty because while you are snailing along in the regular lanes the HOV people are zooming so quickly passed you that you hardly notice them
When we first moved to Houston earlier this year, my GPS once led me on the HOV lane (unintentional, I was alone in the car). Yes, it was rush hour.
Could only see one car waaay ahead of me, and only one car waaay behind me. I had at least a quarter mile of empty space both in front of and behind me. But we were really zooming!
HOV lanes seem empty because it's "supposed to be that way"?
Mission accomplished.
09-06-2011, 01:33 PM
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mistergus75
Great idea? Have you seen how little traffic they carry? HOV lanes (in Houston, at least) are an abject failure. Wasted concrete.For crying out loud, it's not like you have to have 3-4 people to use the HOV lane. It only takes 2, and people still don't use them . Nothing less than some form of coercion will change that.
Including you obviously. What, you can't get at least one other person to ride with you and your sour attitude? Gee, I wonder why.
Perhaps if you actually used them (ya know...like car pool with at least one other person) you would actually see how wonderful the HOV lanes are. And as an added bonus, you would be using that "wasted concrete" and you would be helping the environment - which you seem to be contradicting yourself on whether you care about a "greener" environment (you don't want HOV lanes, but seem to care about how many Chevy Volts were sold in a month).
09-06-2011, 01:44 PM
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lhafer
. Perhaps if you actually used them...you would be using that "wasted concrete" and you would be helping the environment....
I guess you missed my post.
I did use the HOV lane during rush hour (accidently, since I was alone). And I appreciate all the gas I saved having the HOV lane nearly all to myself.
I'm sure it went a long way towards offsetting the gas burned by all the traffic standing still due to an inadequate number of lanes.
09-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Location: Houston, TX (Bellaire)
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Damn government, building HOV lanes on the damn highway that I built with my own 2 hands! I don't need their meddling! Whats that you say? The government built the highways with their evil taxes? Well shoot I just won't drive anymore, that will show them.
09-06-2011, 03:03 PM
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mistergus75
It has to be proven to you that extra lanes would decrease commute times?
Yes. When it comes to billion dollar decisions I want to see empirical evidence, no matter how conclusive you think your anecdotal observations are. If you throw those vehicles in the HOV lane into an additional standard lane, they will not be going the same rate of speed. Capacity = volume and rate of flow. Ever wonder why the far left lane grinds to a halt on a 4 lane freeway even though the entrances and exits are on the right?
What is the lane traffic count for an HOV lane during rush hour? What is the lane traffic count for an adjacent standard lane during the same time? Present some numbers to show they are under used.
You can disregard off peak times because the "wasted concrete" is not needed then and they were designed to handle serve peak usage times.
09-06-2011, 04:14 PM
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I guess you missed my post.
I did use the HOV lane during rush hour (accidently, since I was alone). And I appreciate all the gas I saved having the HOV lane nearly all to myself.
I'm sure it went a long way towards offsetting the gas burned by all the traffic standing still due to an inadequate number of lanes.
No, I didn't miss your post. I just don't consider using the HOV once unintentionally as "using" the HOV lane, nor do I think that's worthy of emperical evidence of how many people routinely use the HOV. I used it 5 days a week for 2.5 years - legally with 3 people in the car. I saw plenty of people using it along with me. Along with a lot of metro buses who were hauling lots of people back to their cars parks at the park and ride.
09-06-2011, 04:26 PM
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lhafer
Along with a lot of metro buses who were hauling lots of people back to their cars parks at the park and ride.
And I think we can say with a great deal of confidence, that if there weren't HOV lanes for the Metro park-n-ride buses to use, then a big chunk of the riders would just drive their own cars, adding even more to the traffic count. Because I'm pretty sure they don't ride those the bus because they like to listen to the guy next to them snoring.
09-06-2011, 04:49 PM
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the volt sold so few because americans make inferior cars. the leaf has a 2,000 car edge in total sales. for a brand new technology that has just breached mainstream that is huge. also take into consideration their low productions numbers in the first place. and the volt plant being shut down. when cars were first invented not everyone and their mother bought one the first year either (or could - like now)
09-06-2011, 05:48 PM
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It has to be proven to you that extra lanes would decrease commute times?
It doesn't improve traffic because you still have the same idiots with the vans/pickup trucks driving 2 under the speed limit on the left lane.
All you are going to do, is add 1 more lane on the right side.
09-06-2011, 05:57 PM
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we should do what some states allow - hybrid and electric cars allowed on tollways and HOV's free of charge and regardless of the number of passengers! that'd really tick off the OP
I'm not the only one who'd be ticked off.
Civility in politics? Until liberals stop trying to tell everyone else how to run their lives, there will be no civility, nor should there be.
Of course, in the "good old days", conservatives didn't have a voice. Thank God for FOX News, the internet, and especially talk radio. Rush Limbaugh...truly a national treasure.
Just build the lanes people need! Quit trying to mold behavior!
The only way liberals can claim we have an oil shortage is by creating it themselves. The only way they can force carpooling is with stunts like "HOV lanes".
In any arena, liberals can only advance their agenda by taking away people's choices.
Yeah, I'm ranting. If it bothers anyone, have a tissue...
As for the future...you're only going to get more of this.
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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