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Old 02-02-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Houston annexed Kingwood because it had a resource the city wanted - Lake Houston. After the annexation of Kingwood, legislation was passed to make it more difficult for a city to annex an area.

Houston doesn't really want to have to annex the suburbs - they are mostly residential and would end up costing the city more in services (not to mention it would take on the debt of the MUDs). And the suburbs don't want to be annexed.

Enter Limited Purpose Annexations. Houston has LPA's with almost every community within its ETJ - it only affects commercial properties (so the city gets the tax base it wants without having to provide services to the residential community). Houston enters into a 30-yr agreement with the utility districts and levies a 1% sales tax which it splits with the utility district.

So we don't have to worry about fighting general annexation any time soon.
I think sone of these suburbs are going to want to form their own cities though. Katy amnexing Cinco, the Cypress area, Richmond, etc. Seems like the city is opening itself up to some lawsuits if it takes the important commercial areas.

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Houston's ETJ already crosses into other counties. By state law a city's ETJ is set based on its population. Houston's ETJ boundary is 5 miles outside of Houston's city limits - regardless of the county.

And the purpose of the Annexation Act of 1963 was not to prevent a bunch of little communities from developing, but was meant to control the growth of towns. Before the act, a city could annex right up to the boundary of another city - "first-come-first-served". Or a new town could incorporate right up to the boundary of another. So, basically, towns were gobbling up territory just to prevent others from getting it.
See Dallas-Fort Worth.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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I think sone of these suburbs are going to want to form their own cities though. Katy amnexing Cinco, the Cypress area, Richmond, etc. Seems like the city is opening itself up to some lawsuits if it takes the important commercial areas.



See Dallas-Fort Worth.
Katy Cannot annex Cinco. Katy's ETJ is no where close to Cinco. Not by a long shot. Katy would have to annex about a hundred thousand people before it even gets to Cinco. Not happening. Most probably what may happen would be Cinco residents would buy themselves out and form their own city.

Cities outside of Houston's ETJ can't just pick and choose parts of Houston it wants to pull out.

Katy being a town of 10K people would have an ETJ of probably less than a mile around the city. This would put Cinco multiple miles away from Katy's rich. That is like saying Pearland is going to annex TMC.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:38 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Katy Cannot annex Cinco. Katy's ETJ is no where close to Cinco. Not by a long shot. Katy would have to annex about a hundred thousand people before it even gets to Cinco. Not happening. Most probably what may happen would be Cinco residents would buy themselves out and form their own city.

Cities outside of Houston's ETJ can't just pick and choose parts of Houston it wants to pull out.

Katy being a town of 10K people would have an ETJ of probably less than a mile around the city. This would put Cinco multiple miles away from Katy's rich. That is like saying Pearland is going to annex TMC.
Maybe Cinco residents want to become a part of the city of Katy. A deal couldn't be worked out then?
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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Maybe Cinco residents want to become a part of the city of Katy. A deal couldn't be worked out then?
Houston would have to release Cinco, and what is the incentive for Cinco to join katy.

I mean. Cinco is a much more desirable area. Higher incomes, better schools.

Cinco is actually bigger than Katy. The area has far outgrown Katy and if anything is going to Happen iit will be these areas forming their own city rather than Joining Katy.

Katy is a town of 12k.
Cinco is about 17k

I kinda exaggerated on the number of people inbetween the two cities. Its just that Katy doesn't really have much say in the matter. Cinco does have a say but no incentive to join katy

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Old 02-02-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: plano
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With the way gas prices are going, I'm not sure if more people will want to continue moving into the exurbs of the city. This might not be as useful as people think. But who knows. It does connect through some populated areas, but it also cuts through a lot of empty space.
Depends on where the jobs are --- in 1950 Im sure they said why do we need a Loop 610 when all the jobs are in the ship channel refineries or downtown. Big changes took place. I call it progress.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: plano
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Houston annexed Kingwood because it had a resource the city wanted - Lake Houston. After the annexation of Kingwood, legislation was passed to make it more difficult for a city to annex an area.

Houston doesn't really want to have to annex the suburbs - they are mostly residential and would end up costing the city more in services (not to mention it would take on the debt of the MUDs). And the suburbs don't want to be annexed.

Enter Limited Purpose Annexations. Houston has LPA's with almost every community within its ETJ - it only affects commercial properties (so the city gets the tax base it wants without having to provide services to the residential community). Houston enters into a 30-yr agreement with the utility districts and levies a 1% sales tax which it splits with the utility district.

So we don't have to worry about fighting general annexation any time soon.
Kingwood was annexed when the MUD tax rates had declined to a rate similiar to the cities ($.60-.70 per hundred $ valuation). Houston had been annexing areas consistently up to then once the tax base grew enough to lower the tax rate to near the cities. But Kingwood was a huge population with political power and while they saw no change in taxes from annexation, their water rates went sky high and their services didnt improve in the least as fire service, (etc) from the city was too far away. The political outcry when this happened did crimp the Houston plans to keep on annexing developed un incorporated areas as they are allowed by state law. TW took action to pre empt Houston from trying to annex it.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: plano
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Well, not for the developers.
I cant speak to todays rules but know developers paid for engineering of the grand parkway as well as donated the land for the grand parkway to cross their land. So it was paritally privately paid for by those who benefits from it. But without jobs and people moving out that way nothing would have happened nor made sense. Its something NYC and DC know little about...its called the free enterprise system
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: plano
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Houston's ETJ already crosses into other counties. By state law a city's ETJ is set based on its population. Houston's ETJ boundary is 5 miles outside of Houston's city limits - regardless of the county.

And the purpose of the Annexation Act of 1963 was not to prevent a bunch of little communities from developing, but was meant to control the growth of towns. Before the act, a city could annex right up to the boundary of another city - "first-come-first-served". Or a new town could incorporate right up to the boundary of another. So, basically, towns were gobbling up territory just to prevent others from getting it.
I agree only clarification I would add to avoid confusion I see some have, is another city like Katy or Conroe etc the Houston 's ETJ applies only to unincorporated land within that 5 miles outside the city limits.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Lets get back to Dodecagon 99
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Texarkana
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Grand Parkway-TX 99
Thanks Annie. I read on Wiki that this road will be 170 miles long and will be the largest beltway in the world when completed. When I saw that I was like holy sh*t!
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