01-23-2008, 05:52 AM
Location: Buda, Texas
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Joel Osteen has a gift for attracting people who would never otherwise go to church. As a Christian, I feel that is a good thing. I originally became a Christian after watching his father in T.V . I caught his sermons by accident on Sunday because there was nothing else on and soon I was looking for his program. Traditional church intimidates alot of people and Joel Osteen is a great starting point. I believe he is sincere in what he does which is more then you can say for alot of preachers.Although I am deeper into the faith, I still like to listen to Joel. His calling is to draw you in and give you an idea of what being A Christian is all about, how far you go with it is up to you. Even the devout need to go back to the basics once in awhile.
01-23-2008, 02:35 PM
Location: Leander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
glitterik
If Joel Osteen is all about the money, then he should certainly wake up and solicit money on his TV show, which he does NOT do. As a proud agnostic, I totally applaud Joel Osteen and his ministry. He is not about the hateful, exclusionary stuff that is so popular today and that is why he is so popular. I have visited Lakewood, the former location and the new one (I'm agnostic, not close-minded!) and am very impressed.
The People article about him a few weeks ago says he does not fly in private jet due to the drama with getting kicked off the Continental plane a few years ago. I also like the fact he does not ask for money. From what I have read he made a lot of his money from his book. I think he stopped taking a pay check a few years ago from the church.
01-24-2008, 06:18 PM
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I meant over the building. They said his name was on the building.
04-27-2008, 06:09 PM
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Without Sin?
Which one of you are without sin? Let him cast the first stone.
04-27-2008, 09:43 PM
Location: Sugar Land, TX, USA
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I do like listening to his messages too...The only thing I would add and would like to see him address is the difficulty of being a Christian. You must be able to keep the faith through rough times...and also give gratitude. I think he needs to remind people to not only look to Jesus when you are in need, but also when things are plentiful...
04-28-2008, 12:07 AM
Location: Seek Jesus while He can still be found!
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Good post tdenby!
I've been meaning to quote this one for awhile
. I find it extremely sad that so many people who call themselves 'Christians' are so quick to judge Joel and other TV preachers
. Maybe if they spent some more time in God's Word and in His presence, they would realize how pious and self righteous they're being
. If you do not agree with these preachers, that is fine with me. But God calls you to pray for them, not act as little gods judging them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
tdenby
Which one of you are without sin? Let him cast the first stone.
Last edited by HDL; 04-28-2008 at 12:15 AM ..
05-08-2008, 06:42 AM
Location: Houston, Texas
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I love listening to Lakewood Church and I personally think we all need motivation through this period of time. Joel speaks to my heart and I know that what he's says is true.
05-08-2008, 07:54 PM
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Joel Osteen is the real deal and we are fortunate to have him.
05-16-2008, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
HDL
I absolutely, positively LOVE Lakewood Church and Joel Osteens's preaching!!! I've been listening to him for going on 9 yrs now and before that I listened to his father preach
!! No man or woman is perfect. We all sin and fall short! But Joel's preaching has been life changing for me and I believe that God is using him in a mighty way to touch peoples' hearts who would never step foot in a church.
But the one thing that I cannot tolerate, nor understand, is how people who 'profess' to be Christians can put down this ministry and/or Joel
(or any other ministries). I've never heard Joel put down any other Pastors and/or ministries, nor will you ever see ME putting down churches and/or ministers that I disagree with
. That is sooooooo NOT WWJD folks
!!! (Father God, please forgive us
!)
If any of you are so against and/or in disagreement with Lakewood Church, then you are called to PRAY for them and not JUDGE them. Momma mia people
! Time is short and we will all have to account to Christ on Judgement Day!!! All WRITE-T then. Consider this the end of my sermon (for today). AMEN
.
http://bestsmileys.com/christmas1/9.gif (broken link)
Blessings,
~HDL~
Moderator cut: no insults please We are commanded in scripture not to judge those on the outside but we are commanded to judge within the body. We are also commanded to judge those who claim to be teachers of the word. How else are we to know who are false teachers and false prophets? Answer? By what they teach. Joel Osteen is a heretic and here is why: taken from
Joel Osteen: True or False?
Quote:
The latest "star" among the Christian world is Joel Osteen, pastor of nondenominational Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. Osteen claims the nation’s largest congregation with over 30,000 members. Lakewood recently purchased the colossal Compaq Center, formerly home of the NBA’s Houston Rockets. After a whopping $95 million in renovations, the Compaq Center now houses Osteen’s empire called Lakewood Church.
Moderator cut: edited for copyright "Copyright © 2005 Dial-the-Truth Ministries"
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05-16-2008, 02:13 PM
Location: Seek Jesus while He can still be found!
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WOW???? Are you REALLY a Christian????
Nice way to address a fellow Believer
! Anyhow
Proger , I am sorry to inform you that I don't debate with people like yourself, as I feel it is a waste of my time and energy and that nothing is really accomplished by it, nor is God glorified through our debating. You definitely won't be changing my mind with this post and I highly doubt that I would be changing yours either. I only hope and pray that when you do move to Houston, you may finally see Joel in person and get to see what a REAL man of God looks and acts like
.
Best wishes on your move and your new job at TMC
!
Sincerely,
~HDL~
p.s.
Feel free to debate on without me though, as I WILL NOT be replying to any more of your posts
!
Moderator cut: the posting you refer to has been edited
Quote:
Originally Posted by
HDL
tdenby
Without Sin?
Which one of you are without sin? Let him cast the first stone.
Those who truly believe in Jesus Christ and His ressurection and do the works of His Father and keep His commandments are his disciples. By their fruits you shall know them.
Bear this in mind.
I've been meaning to quote this one for awhile
. I find it extremely sad that so many people who call themselves 'Christians' are so quick to judge Joel and other TV preachers
. Maybe if they spent some more time in God's Word and in His presence, they would realize how pious and self righteous they're being
.
If you do not agree with these preachers, that is fine with me. But God calls you to pray for them, not act as little gods judging them .
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People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Without Sin?
Good post tdenby!
. I find it extremely sad that so many people who call themselves 'Christians' are so quick to judge Joel and other TV preachers 
. Maybe if they spent some more time in God's Word and in His presence, they would realize how pious and self righteous they're being 
. If you do not agree with these preachers, that is fine with me. But God calls you to pray for them, not act as little gods judging them.
!! No man or woman is perfect. We all sin and fall short! But Joel's preaching has been life changing for me and I believe that God is using him in a mighty way to touch peoples' hearts who would never step foot in a church.
. That is sooooooo NOT WWJD folks 
! Time is short and we will all have to account to Christ on Judgement Day!!! All WRITE-T then. Consider this the end of my sermon (for today). AMEN 
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WOW???? Are you REALLY a Christian????
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