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Old 12-04-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Really? Maybe it was just you and your family having that attitude and/or not helping out. I know plenty that do a lot of volunteer work, whether thru church, schools, work, on their own. I also know plenty that donate money on a regular basis. Some people rather help with their time and their money on worthwhile causes. Most of the groups that you list, are the ones that worked their tails off to get where they are. People also think anyone driving around in a bmw is "rich".
I am mostly talking about politics not charity work. When it comes to charity Americans of all classes pitch in. Upper middle class types, people I've been around all my life, tend to be very kind, respectful and charitable. If they see a trait in you that reminds them of pure hard work, they will help you. They're not evil people, jeez.

The point is that if you talk to them about politics that is when they turn all reactionary and the anti-poor rhetoric seethes out with anger. Their impression is that there are a lot of people of the dole who are draining the system, which of course is a big myth.

There are things they say all the time that borders on racism and elitism but they don't realize it because they've couched their arguments in moocher vs hard worker language for so long.

* Case in point, this ridiculous premise that middle class especially upper middle class people are the ones that worked the most for what they've earned. It is as though people in this bracket cannot fathom that there are those who work hard for a living and for a long time without receiving the total fruit of their labor. That concept is just out there to these people. They think that if they worked hard then they would have what upper middle class people earned.

Thank you Kiovo for exhibiting the attitude I was talking about.
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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awww, radiolibre99 now i understand you completely and why you post what you post on this board

you suffer from wg
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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awww, radiolibre99 now i understand you completely and why you post what you post on this board

you suffer from wg
wg?
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Fulshear
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awww, radiolibre99 now i understand you completely and why you post what you post on this board

you suffer from wg
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wg?
I'm gonna take a stab at it and guess "WG" means "White Guilt".
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Katy, TX
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I am mostly talking about politics not charity work. When it comes to charity Americans of all classes pitch in. Upper middle class types, people I've been around all my life, tend to be very kind, respectful and charitable. If they see a trait in you that reminds them of pure hard work, they will help you. They're not evil people, jeez.

The point is that if you talk to them about politics that is when they turn all reactionary and the anti-poor rhetoric seethes out with anger. Their impression is that there are a lot of people of the dole who are draining the system, which of course is a big myth.

There are things they say all the time that borders on racism and elitism but they don't realize it because they've couched their arguments in moocher vs hard worker language for so long.

* Case in point, this ridiculous premise that middle class especially upper middle class people are the ones that worked the most for what they've earned. It is as though people in this bracket cannot fathom that there are those who work hard for a living and for a long time without receiving the total fruit of their labor. That concept is just out there to these people. They think that if they worked hard then they would have what upper middle class people earned.

Thank you Kiovo for exhibiting the attitude I was talking about.
Lol, you're welcome. And yes, if you work hard and really put all your heart into it, you can definitely be middle class. And, if you set your goals even higher, then upper middle class is within reach too!

*case in point. I didn't grow up middle class. My parents came over here with nothing. And guess what? They believed in the dream and worked hard and became middle class. But I'm sure you think you have me completely figured out already.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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Lol, you're welcome. And yes, if you work hard and really put all your heart into it, you can definitely be middle class. And, if you set your goals even higher, then upper middle class is within reach too!

*case in point. I didn't grow up middle class. My parents came over here with nothing. And guess what? They believed in the dream and worked hard and became middle class. But I'm sure you think you have me completely figured out already.
Like I said, the point that there are hard working people in this country that never get their piece of the pie is unimaginable to you. So by your logic the problems in this country are less socio-economical but more about taking personal initiative.

I just explained the logic of the right minded middle class. Thank you for agreeing Kiovo.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Katy, TX
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Like I said, the point that there are hard working people in this country that never get their piece of the pie is unimaginable to you. So by your logic the problems in this country are less socio-economical but more about taking personal initiative.

I just explained the logic of the right minded middle class. Thank you for agreeing Kiovo.
Oh please explain the logic of the left wing libs for me since it's not so cut and dry as the right wing side. Thanks!
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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Oh please explain the logic of the left wing libs for me since it's not so cut and dry as the right wing side. Thanks!
Its technocratic and wonkish which turns ppl off to what they have to say. The left can't rely on anecdotal evidence and platitudes like the right can and which plays into their advantage. Liberals are a bit different than out and out left wing progressives though, you're talking the difference between conservatives and libertarians. Liberals a bit elitist and think Americans are just stupid, Bill Maher is an example. Progressives think Americans are overworked and the work they put in to produce good doesn't come back to them in the form of a livable wage.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Cinco Dinero
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It is all relative. But sometimes that relativity can be quite laughable which is why the phenomena of the 50-100k millionaire is such a big thing in Texas. I don't think it's quite as believable to see billionaires make fun of millionaires as much as it is more common to see upper middle class people make fun of the lower middle to working poor. In fact, growing up in an upper middle class family in Katy I can guarantee you the most vocal against any initiatives to help out the poor are upper middle class people; small business owners, managerial types and young professionals. They're more reactionary and elitist than millionaires and billionaires. I would soon see an engineer living in Eldridge read Ayn Rand before a millionaire inside the loop.

I just remember growing up in Katy and everyone thinking that my dad was "rich". I guess in Texas making over 100k is considered "rich".
I hear you! I live in South Katy and here's how it goes with my neighbors...

Boo! Aldi is bad! Poor people shopping in our neighborhood!
//www.city-data.com/forum/houst...e-planned.html

Boo! Fiesta Foods is bad! Brown people will shop here!
//www.city-data.com/forum/houst...ofication.html

Boo! Apartment kids will go to my schools!
Residents voice opposition to low-income apartments - Katy Times: News

Boo! Even fancy apartments... HOW DARE THEY????
//www.city-data.com/forum/houst...en-blvd-3.html

Boo! Poor people living amongst us!!!! We only want to help them from afar!!! Don't actually move next to ME!!!
//www.city-data.com/forum/houst...velopment.html

Boo! A Shell Gas Station near my house!!! Oh noes!!!
Cinco Ranch residents fight plan for gas station - Houston Chronicle

Boo! Pine Mill Ranch might be a good neighborhood... but for the cheap houses nearby (yuk!)
//www.city-data.com/forum/houst...g-lakes-2.html



I gotta tell you... I live in S Katy (Cinco Ranch) I like where I live... but seriously my neighbors really make me shake my head sometimes. They are really, really afraid of "poor-er" people. I live in a $200k house. So its really great news when they build $400k houses near me. But its really bad news if they build $100k houses near me. Why is that??? I am sure the $400k house people are ashamed to live near me. I must look like ghetto trash. What with my 55' lot and sub 3000 sq ft. Its a crying shame that my poor children live in such sad condition. (no media room! oh noes!!!)

This "class" of people is super afraid of their own shadow. Any little thing threatens their almighty property value... a new grocery store nearby, a nearby gas station, a local luxury apartment complex... with those damn kids going to *their kids'* schools!!!

It's one thing to say they like to volunteer, but its another thing to walk the walk.

I live here. So you can't say I'm jealous. It's the truth. Its one thing to pretend to support a charity for low income folks. But when you are afraid to have them live next to you, the hypocrisy stinks.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Katy, TX
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With all that being said, why did you choose to live in Cinco ranch, with that "class" of people? Probably the same reason why they choose to live in Cinco Ranch..
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