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Old 07-03-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Agree. I dont know what the hell Houston politicians have against expanding that rail
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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coulda shoulda woulda. EPIC FAIL Houston.
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Denver LRT and Houston's LRT is a completely different type of system. Denver LRT is mostly like a heavy rail system but it's light rail. It has it's own row off the street away from downtown. Houston's LRT is nothing more than a streetcar or what Europeans call, a tram. Denver's LRT system does not run on the street in it's entirety like Houston's does. Personally, I think because IAH is so far from Downtown, it's best served to be used by heavy rail. You can't have what Houston has take you to go the airport. That would take two hours to get from downtown.
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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Had Houston built the system it designed in the 1970's, it probably would be bigger than both Chicago and LA at this time. The highway system would move quickly and billions would have been saved on upgrades which would have been used to beautify the city and make it even more attractive. It would be the NYC of the South.
Ha. If we had built that rail the highway system here would be a hopeless parking lot because those upgrades would have never been built. Name one city that has solved traffic congestion by building rail. Houston has traffic congestion but the cities heavily invested in rail have worse traffic congestion.
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Ha. If we had built that rail the highway system here would be a hopeless parking lot because those upgrades would have never been built. Name one city that has solved traffic congestion by building rail. Houston has traffic congestion but the cities heavily invested in rail have worse traffic congestion.
Rail is never built for only to take care off the road and it's never built to solve congestion either. That is a big misconception. It is to offer alternatives to people that do not want to drive their cars. If there was an alternative to use heavy rail, I bet people would utilize it just as much as people would in Atlanta. Also cities and areas that invested in rail have also invested on improving their roads such as DC and San Francisco.
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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Ha. If we had built that rail the highway system here would be a hopeless parking lot because those upgrades would have never been built. Name one city that has solved traffic congestion by building rail. Houston has traffic congestion but the cities heavily invested in rail have worse traffic congestion.
The purpose of rail is the same than HOV lanes = To reduce the number of cars on the road
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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Rail is never built for only to take care off the road and it's never built to solve congestion either. That is a big misconception.
Fine. Then rail proponents need to quit using traffic congestion as the reason we need to build rail.

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If there was an alternative to use heavy rail, I bet people would utilize it just as much as people would in Atlanta. Also cities and areas that invested in rail have also invested on improving their roads such as DC and San Francisco.
Have you ever driven in Atlanta, SF, or DC? I have and their peak congestion is way worse than Houston.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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Have you ever driven in Atlanta, SF, or DC? I have and their peak congestion is way worse than Houston.
Why do people insist on comparing with San Francisco?
You can't compare a city that is almost an island with Houston

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Old 07-06-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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Have you ever driven in Atlanta, SF, or DC? I have and their peak congestion is way worse than Houston.[/quote]

Yeah even with BART the peak congestion in SF is worse. But they also dont have the freeway system like Houston. I believe Houston will manage to function well with investment in the Park and Ride infrastructure. Connecting all the major suburbs to Uptown, Medical Center, Westchase, Downtown, Greenway Plaza should address the peak traffic issues. Progress is being made (Katy to Uptown line is seeing an uptick in passengers) and they should continue studying trends to improve.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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Have you ever driven in Atlanta, SF, or DC? I have and their peak congestion is way worse than Houston.
Yeah even with BART the peak congestion in SF is worse. But they also dont have the freeway system like Houston. I believe Houston will manage to function well with investment in the Park and Ride infrastructure. Connecting all the major suburbs to Uptown, Medical Center, Westchase, Downtown, Greenway Plaza should address the peak traffic issues. Progress is being made (Katy to Uptown line is seeing an uptick in passengers) and they should continue studying trends to improve.[/quote]

They don't have the freeway system of Houston because they chose to focus on mass transit as the solution.
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