Really, Houston?? (suburbs, Hispanics, weather)

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

I really don't know either, but the amateur psychologist in me says it very well may be that simple.



Steven Hotze did work very hard to defeat this measure however the measure was defeated with votes largely from the minority community which I think you will agree are not normally directly influenced by the evil doctor. The opponents zeroed in on the "bathroom issue" funded it well and kept Steven Hotze out of view.

To just blame the Doctor gives what I believe is a false impression that this was an old style white redneck repudiation of progressive ideas. Yes the Redneck agenda was elated by the result but the real reason HERO failed was lack of minority support which many claim was due to a lack of outreach and understanding from proponents who in many cases were not familiar with the local electorial landscape.

WRONG!!!!

People of all races and ethnic backgrounds voted to keep men from being able to go into the women's restroom.

If you choose to ignore this FACT, that is your choice.

[Pine to Vine]

Originally Posted by Houston321

There are plenty of federal laws that protect against discrimination. Now, just because the ones you wanted were rejected by a majority of voters, that is just too bad. Go back to the drawing board and draw up a bill that the majority of voters will accept. Otherwise, deal with the results.

Learn something: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empl...rimination_Act

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

WRONG!!!!

People of all races and ethnic backgrounds voted to keep men from being able to go into the women's restroom.

If you choose to ignore this FACT, that is your choice.

I'M RIGHT !!!!!

You split the white vote as evenly as possible then you get overwhelming minority support and voila, you have the formula that gets progressive ideas and candidates elected not only in Houston and Texas but the entire USA as well. How many Democrats would get elected without using this simple to understand(for most people) political formula?..

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

I'M RIGHT !!!!!

You split the white vote as evenly as possible then you get overwhelming minority support and voila, you have the formula that gets progressive ideas and candidates elected not only in Houston and Texas but the entire USA as well. How many Democrats would get elected without using this simple to understand(for most people) political formula?..

Sorry, but he black and Hispanic communities aren't going to give overwhelming support for men going into the women's restrooms.

Do you want to discuss the black vote when the issue of gay marriage was on many ballots a few years back?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110603880.html

Seven in 10 African Americans who went to the polls voted yes on Proposition 8, the ballot measure overruling a state Supreme Court judgment that legalized same-sex marriage

BTW, for those people rationalizing in their own heads that it was just a huge turnout by conservatives and liberals stayed home, if that were the case, King would be the mayor elect now.

The TRUTH is that many many liberals voted against HERO because of the bathroom issue.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Sorry, but he black and Hispanic communities aren't going to give overwhelming support for men going into the women's restrooms.

Do you want to discuss the black vote when the issue of gay marriage was on many ballots a few years back?

Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban



BTW, for those people rationalizing in their own heads that it was just a huge turnout by conservatives and liberals stayed home, if that were the case, King would be the mayor elect now.

The TRUTH is that many many liberals voted against HERO because of the bathroom issue.

I basically already addressed it the first time you brought it up. People don't tend to learn from their own histories of discrimination. Victims becoming victimizers is a common theme in history and the present. Plus, a lot of this discrimination is religiously-motivated, and the AA community in particular tends to be fairly conservative in this regard.

It ultimately doesn't matter who voted against the bill. It was still the wrong move.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Sorry, but he black and Hispanic communities aren't going to give overwhelming support for men going into the women's restrooms.

Do you want to discuss the black vote when the issue of gay marriage was on many ballots a few years back?

Most of California's Black Voters Backed Gay Marriage Ban



BTW, for those people rationalizing in their own heads that it was just a huge turnout by conservatives and liberals stayed home, if that were the case, King would be the mayor elect now.

The TRUTH is that many many liberals voted against HERO because of the bathroom issue.

Right, and those "liberals" were overwhelmingly minority, White liberals voted for Proposition 1. The "White" voters in the city at large were fairly evenly split, add that with overwhelming minority opposition from voters who split their votes and voted for "Liberal" candidates for Mayor and against prop 1.

The point I wanted to make is that the electorate that rejected HERO was not a continuation of the old school Southern or Texan good ole boy electorate from yesteryear that some liberals in this thread seem to be blaming for this defeat. It is a totally different electorate that for the most part does consider itself "Progressive"

[Houston321]

Learn something: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empl...rimination_Act

Your proposition lost, get over it, or create a bill that the majority of Harris County voters will approve. It was rejected and poorly done. Good luck.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

Right, and those "liberals" were overwhelmingly minority, White liberals voted for Proposition 1. The "White" voters in the city at large were fairly evenly split, add that with overwhelming minority opposition from voters who split their votes and voted for "Liberal" candidates for Mayor and against prop 1.

The point I wanted to make is that the electorate that rejected HERO was not a continuation of the old school Southern or Texan good ole boy electorate from yesteryear that some liberals in this thread seem to be blaming for this defeat. It is a totally different electorate that for the most part does consider itself "Progressive"

My dispute with your post is that I feel the black and Hispanic knew exactly why they voted the way they did. There was no lack of understanding on their side, they knew HERO allowed men into women's restrooms, and they voted against that.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

My dispute with your post is that I feel the black and Hispanic knew exactly why they voted the way they did. There was no lack of understanding on their side, they knew HERO allowed men into women's restrooms, and they voted against that.

I agree that that was what their understanding was. Whether that understanding was fact or not is irrelevant to the point I was making.

[testmo]

Minorities voting against anti discrimination laws. wait until the anti hispanic backlash hits the south hard. If you havent been paying attention its coming from the right flank.