I've never been so proud of this city (Houston, Dallas: safe, move)

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

You can do that homework if you like.

Translation - you haven't looked at them, you're just going by what others are posting.

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Just admit that you don't want to share bathrooms with a transgender person. Other people have said that and that's fine. They have their reasons, but you are saying it will increase crimes in bathrooms. There has not been one documented case of this happening in any of those cities.

If it does occur, will you support the reversal of these ordinances?

[Pine to Vine]

Across the state, business leaders in Houston are worried that fallout from the HERO defeat combined with Dallas strengthening its protections for trans people could have financial ramifications for the city.

"The concern now is that we’re the only major city in Texas that doesn't have an equal rights ordinance," Mike Waterman, president of the Greater Houston Conventions and Visitors Bureau, told the Houston Business Journal. "By default, that puts us at a disadvantage, and my counterpart in Dallas has already indicated [in local media] that businesses can come to Dallas because they have an equal rights ordinance. So it’s possible that other cities could exploit the fact that we don’t have an equal rights ordinance."
Dallas Takes Action To Protect Trans People From Discrimination

Be proud, Houston!!

[Mr. Krinkle]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Translation - you haven't looked at them, you're just going by what others are posting.

Have a look
Cities and Counties with Non-Discrimination Ordinances that Include Gender Identity | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_ordinance

Fine, I will do the work for you for. The ballot for Tempe cam up pretty quickly in a search. I just copied and pasted.

Notice that none of these ordinances mention the use of a bathroom. Something opponents just had to make up.

Tempe :
Here’s the exact Ballot Proposition (the old language has a strike through it and the new language is in caps): “No person shall be appointed to, removed from, favored in any way or discriminated against with respect to any city position because of race, sex, political or religious affiliation, COLOR, GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, FAMILIAL STATUS, AGE, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, DISABILITY, OR UNITED STATES MILITARY VETERAN STATUS, EXCEPT AS SUCH FAVOR MAY BE AUTHORIZED BY LAW.”

Houston:
https://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Hous...015)#Full_text
Are you in favor of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, Ord. No. 2014-530, which prohibits discrimination in city employment and city services, city contracts, public accommodations, private employment, and housing based on an individual’s sex, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, familial status, marital status, military status, religion, disability, sexual orientation, genetic information, gender identity, or pregnancy.

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

If it does occur, will you support the reversal of these ordinances?

Sure, ok

[texas7]

Aren't public accommodations as mentioned in the Houston ordinance bathrooms? Didn't see that in the Tempe.

[Mr. Krinkle]

Originally Posted by texas7

Aren't public accommodations as mentioned in the Houston ordinance bathrooms? Didn't see that in the Tempe.

Public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments, as well as educational institutions, recreational facilities and service centers. Private clubs and religious institutions were exempt.

Here is a legal definition.
Discrimination in Public Accommodations - FindLaw

[Mr. Krinkle]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

Lot's of people suffer from agoraphobia, and for many of them it involves the fear of crime. If a person has a CHL and carries a gun to help deal with their medical condition, I'd argue that not allowing them to have it would be a form of discrimination. Should they be barred from public accommodation due to this?

Just stop ...you are trying too hard.

[tstone]

Originally Posted by Pine to Vine

Across the state, business leaders in Houston are worried that fallout from the HERO defeat combined with Dallas strengthening its protections for trans people could have financial ramifications for the city.

"The concern now is that we’re the only major city in Texas that doesn't have an equal rights ordinance," Mike Waterman, president of the Greater Houston Conventions and Visitors Bureau, told the Houston Business Journal. "By default, that puts us at a disadvantage, and my counterpart in Dallas has already indicated [in local media] that businesses can come to Dallas because they have an equal rights ordinance. So it’s possible that other cities could exploit the fact that we don’t have an equal rights ordinance."
Dallas Takes Action To Protect Trans People From Discrimination

Be proud, Houston!!

Just hours after it became clear that Houston’s non-discrimination ordinance, HERO, would be trounced at the polls last week, Houston Mayor Annise Parker predicted a “direct, economic backlash” for the city, akin to criticism and boycott threats in Arizona and Indiana following similar controversies.

But so far, any visible backlash has yet to materialize, and Houston appears at no risk of losing two upcoming major sporting events.

No Evidence Yet of Backlash to Houston HERO Vote

[curbur]

Originally Posted by tstone

Just hours after it became clear that Houston’s non-discrimination ordinance, HERO, would be trounced at the polls last week, Houston Mayor Annise Parker predicted a “direct, economic backlash” for the city, akin to criticism and boycott threats in Arizona and Indiana following similar controversies.

But so far, any visible backlash has yet to materialize, and Houston appears at no risk of losing two upcoming major sporting events.

No Evidence Yet of Backlash to Houston HERO Vote

However, Dan Gavitt, vice president of men’s basketball championships, conceded that the HEROvote “could impact the NCAA returning to Houston” in the future.

The backlash isn't gonna be nearly as bad as some people make it out to be, but there will be some. Of course the NCAA and the NFL weren't going to cancel events that are less than 2 years out at this point.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Have a look
Cities and Counties with Non-Discrimination Ordinances that Include Gender Identity | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tion_ordinance

All that would be is the same list you already copied and pasted.

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Fine, I will do the work for you for. The ballot for Tempe cam up pretty quickly in a search. I just copied and pasted.

Actually, when you make the claim that they have the same ordinance with the same provisions, it's up to you to show it. The idea that I have to prove your assertions false is quite absurd.

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Notice that none of these ordinances mention the use of a bathroom. Something opponents just had to make up.

Tempe :
Here’s the exact Ballot Proposition (the old language has a strike through it and the new language is in caps): “No person shall be appointed to, removed from, favored in any way or discriminated against with respect to any city position because of race, sex, political or religious affiliation, COLOR, GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, FAMILIAL STATUS, AGE, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, DISABILITY, OR UNITED STATES MILITARY VETERAN STATUS, EXCEPT AS SUCH FAVOR MAY BE AUTHORIZED BY LAW.”

Houston:
https://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Hous...015)#Full_text
Are you in favor of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, Ord. No. 2014-530, which prohibits discrimination in city employment and city services, city contracts, public accommodations, private employment, and housing based on an individual’s sex, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, familial status, marital status, military status, religion, disability, sexual orientation, genetic information, gender identity, or pregnancy.

Well, if the ordinance is what you post above, then it is completely different than HERO, because the wording for Tempe that you have ONLY affects city employment and offices and NOT private business.

Read what you posted, and you can see they are clearly different in the scope of coverage.

They are NOT the same.

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Sure, ok

Very good.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krinkle

Public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments, as well as educational institutions, recreational facilities and service centers. Private clubs and religious institutions were exempt.

Here is a legal definition.
Discrimination in Public Accommodations - FindLaw

You seem to miss the point completely, from the verbiage YOU posted, Tempe does not include public accommodation while Houston does.