I'm done with the Texans (Post, Mart: violent crime, stats, office)

[rigas]

Originally Posted by nana053

For those of you who think that not standing is *disrespectful,* how many of you stand for the anthem when you are at home watching the games on TV. Protests are supposed to make people uncomfortable. If they don't, they will not get any results.

When the police stop:
1. Shooting a black 12 year old who is playing with a toy gun at the park (Tamir Rice)
2. Shooting a black therapist lying on his back with his hands in the air trying to protect his autistic client (Charles Kinsey)
3. Shooting a black man who is getting out his wallet at a gas station - stopped for a seat belt violation and cop told him to get his id (Levar Jones)
4. Shooting a black man in walmart who was looking at toy guns (John Crawford III)
5. Shooting a black man in the back who was riding his bike without a light (Patrick Harmon)

And that is only a few of the incidents in which the police either do not get charged or get off because they say force was justified.

Note: You can just be driving while black and be harassed. Neil DeGrasse Tyson was harrassed several times when he was going to his office at the university with boxes of books.

If you think this is OK, why isn't it ok to draw attention to this by protesting the National Anthem.

And yet they are only a tiny % in comparison to black on black shooting/crime.
Where’s the “outrage” and protest for that?

Once again, apparently black lives only mater when it’s a white person doing harm to a black person, but apparently they’re not worth protesting for when it’s a black person doing the harm..

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by usc619

Lots of racism disguised as patriotism in this country

And lots of hatred and disrespect for our country disguised as "protesting racism."

I can only speak for myself but I am definitely not racist and definitely am patriotic. Lots of people I know fit that same mold. In fact, racism is pretty much out of fashion and considered disgusting by most people.

[nana053]

Originally Posted by rigas

And yet they are only a tiny % in comparison to black on black shooting/crime.
Where’s the “outrage” and protest for that?

Once again, apparently black lives only mater when it’s a white person doing harm to a black person, but apparently they’re not worth protesting for when it’s a black person doing the harm..

There are plenty of protests about black on black violence. The problem is you are conflating two different things. The criminal violence is awful, but criminals are going to be violent no matter what and protesting by citizens is not going to make a difference.

Police violence, otoh, is not supposed to be happening to law-abiding citizens and that is what is being protested here. The authorities should not have a license to shoot or kill innocent black people (men, women and children) and they don't get a *pass* from us because they have to make split second judgments. They are supposed to be trained to interact with the public no matter who that public is. It is vitally important that police know how to de-escalate situations.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d...ies-rights-law

if a police officer shot somebody in order to arrest them for a misdemeanor, they're not authorized to use lethal force [in that case]. But if the person who they're arresting resists and threatens them with serious bodily injury, then they're not limited to the force that's authorized by the law enforcement authority—they then have the same right to self-defense that any citizen has.

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwes...7&context=jclc

[rigas]

Originally Posted by nana053

There are plenty of protests about black on black violence. The problem is you are conflating two different things. The criminal violence is awful, but criminals are going to be violent no matter what and protesting by citizens is not going to make a difference.

Police violence, otoh, is not supposed to be happening to law-abiding citizens and that is what is being protested here. The authorities should not have a license to shoot or kill innocent black people (men, women and children) and they don't get a *pass* from us because they have to make split second judgments. They are supposed to be trained to interact with the public no matter who that public is. It is vitally important that police know how to de-escalate situations.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d...ies-rights-law



http://scholarlycommons.law.northwes...7&context=jclc

and yet, as i showed earlier, the police shooting black people issue is very small. the whole "unarmed" and "toy guy" thing is very minute in comparison.
adding toy and unarmed together there have been 74 TOTAL shootings this year. 21 of those were black.
is this really an issue?
189 backs total shot this year. out of 808 police shootings.
there are about 42,000,000 blacks in the united states.
there are about 765,000 "sworn officers" in the police force.

just in the nfl alone, there were 14 assaults/domestic abuse/resisting arrests made in the last year. there were 15 unarmed and 6 black people with toy guns were shot by police.
only 7 more people have been shot by police that beaten by an nfl player.
we would be protesting nfl assaults more than police shooting unarmed blacks.


far more white people are shot by police than black.

and while there is some awareness of black on black crime, the focus of these stupid protests are NOT all black lives mater, they are black lives mater if a white person harmed them.
these protests have nothing to do with oppression or blacks being harmed, they are a "hey look at me" protest. if they were really truly about black lives mattering, then they wouldnt be kneeling over a tweet about being fired, or over a slip of the tongue.

this whole thing is ridiculous.

[PinkLadyK]

Protesting the protesters by not watching football is unAmerican.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by jerbear30

12% of the US population is black. So that's about 1 person in 9 or something like that. Yet when we look at unarmed black people being shot, that percentage is much higher. That's a problem. It's not the whole problem with police, but it's a big part of the problem. Did you know that the number one factor for determining if a murderer is going to go to death row in states where that's legal is the race of the convicted? That's right, if you commit murder in the first degree, you are more likely to go to death for it if you're black. So it's not just the police, it's the law itself.

Re the bolded.....Link ?

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

College football only for me now.

I thought this was going to be about the Texans lack of defense !

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

I thought this was going to be about the Texans lack of defense !

Nope, it's strictly about them being offensive.

[RedOrDead_YNWA]

The problem here is that alot of you "I'm a patriot, not a racist, all lives matter" people seem to think that this is is recent.

Police brutality against black people, and unfair treatment of black people by police, and overuse of lethal force by police against black people is a systemic issue that has existed since there have been police and black people in this country. The reason why you have protests now is because we now have so much video evidence of these events because of the advent of cellphones, police dash/body cams, better private security cameras. For years all people could really point to was Rodney King and yes back then, patriot/not racist/all lives matter people were on the side of the police for that too. But it was well known within the black community, it was yet another yoke they had to bear silently.

But now, we can't go 2 months without another video popping up of some police officer somewhere treating a black person like crap (best case scenario) or over-reacting and killing them (worst case scenario) or somewhere in between.

That's why the protest started, and that's why they will continue, enjoy watching college football until they start kneeling there too, and you can't go to high school football because those kids are already kneeling, maybe pop-warner?

You can misinterpret statistics, throw out the canard of black-on-black crime, and try to make this about the troops or the flag, when every single person who performs this protest has said that is not what it is about. I don't expect to change your "patriot/not racist/all lives matter" minds, but if there is even one iota of being open minded, any minuscule desire to understand the issue and the reason for protest, then I hope this sheds some light.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by RedOrDead_YNWA

The problem here is that alot of you "I'm a patriot, not a racist, all lives matter" people seem to think that this is is recent.

Police brutality against black people, and unfair treatment of black people by police, and overuse of lethal force by police against black people is a systemic issue that has existed since there have been police and black people in this country. The reason why you have protests now is because we now have so much video evidence of these events because of the advent of cellphones, police dash/body cams, better private security cameras. For years all people could really point to was Rodney King and yes back then, patriot/not racist/all lives matter people were on the side of the police for that too. But it was well known within the black community, it was yet another yoke they had to bear silently.

But now, we can't go 2 months without another video popping up of some police officer somewhere treating a black person like crap (best case scenario) or over-reacting and killing them (worst case scenario) or somewhere in between.

That's why the protest started, and that's why they will continue, enjoy watching college football until they start kneeling there too, and you can't go to high school football because those kids are already kneeling, maybe pop-warner?

You can misinterpret statistics, throw out the canard of black-on-black crime, and try to make this about the troops or the flag, when every single person who performs this protest has said that is not what it is about. I don't expect to change your "patriot/not racist/all lives matter" minds, but if there is even one iota of being open minded, any minuscule desire to understand the issue and the reason for protest, then I hope this sheds some light.

They aren't protesting police departments, they are protesting the US.

F them.