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Old 11-09-2019, 04:44 PM
 
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The undercover racism in this thread is bothersome.
These dynamics are all obsolete. Progress and evolution is all that matters.
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Willowbrook, Houston
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Anybody who knows about gentrification understands that gentrification benefits the newcomers, not the longtime residents. Longtime residents who grew up in black neighborhoods when they were notoriously dangerous understand the rise and fall of the community. I just find it ironic how newcomers wait until the crime drops in the hood before they move in and force old-timers out. New businesses open up that weren't around 30-40 years ago. All of a sudden, real estate prices increase to the point where longtime residents have to move because they can't afford the mortgage or rent.
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Old 11-10-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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Anybody who knows about gentrification understands that gentrification benefits the newcomers, not the longtime residents. Longtime residents who grew up in black neighborhoods when they were notoriously dangerous understand the rise and fall of the community. I just find it ironic how newcomers wait until the crime drops in the hood before they move in and force old-timers out. New businesses open up that weren't around 30-40 years ago. All of a sudden, real estate prices increase to the point where longtime residents have to move because they can't afford the mortgage or rent.
Fortunately, opportunities are endless in this Age of Information. A WiFi connection is pretty much all that is needed these days to overcome the economic situations.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Absolutely NOT Acres Homes!!!
So this happened last Christmas [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.chron.com/houston/amp/Man-shot-arrested-after-aggravated-robbery-of-13485680.php&ved=2ahUKEwj4jp_z3OPlAhUGDKwKHVuZA6YQ FjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3DWmbjbh5rm73IfBQsodmp&ampc f=1[/url] That was us. We then got framed by our HOA , who just happened to use the same lawyer as the Houston Mayor, right before we were scheduled to testify. I have been telling everyone that the guy we shot that he is the Houston Mayor's cousin, even though it's a racist and most likely inaccurate thing to do. We know the guy we shot (Kendrick Trayvon Skinner) is related to a ****load of cops, and both his family and Mayor Turner's family was in the same square miles for 6 generations. I know Turner is also related to a ****load of cops. However, tracing the genealogy of a public figure is extremely difficult.

I have a lot of evidence of what happened. My Facebook was taken down at law enforcement's bequest (Facebook told me it's because of sex, which is ridiculous, I am an Armenian Orthodox Christian) My YouTube channel is Rose Shengmei Colton Police Collusion.

I know we will definitely get sued, but it's better than getting Hillary Clintoned for sure. Cop's have been showing up at our house every day, even after we moved away from Houston.
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Old 11-13-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Sylvester Turner called on the historically black neighborhood diapsora in Houston suburbs to come back home and reinvest in their community at State of Black America.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNMQ...ture=emb_title
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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No disagreement there. In fact, this holds true for essentially all the big cities in the South. I really hate to say this, but conservative White Americans are the most boring group of people on the planet - particularly those of high religious stock.
Nashville, could be considered an exception. But, then again it's famed hot chicken does come from the unsung African American cooking tradition.

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The truth is that these developments aren't mutually exclusive at all. People of all races and all backgrounds can contribute in the revitalization of neighborhoods like 3rd Ward, and unleash the ultimate urban experience. The right developers can certainly contribute in accelerating this progress, while also honoring the heritage that gave birth to the neighborhood. Especially the case when you have a burgeoning Tier 1 Research University right next door, combined with lots of international immigration.

African Americans are the longest continuous inhabitants of the city(technically slave labor was used to dredge the ditches and drain the swamps in what would become Houston before the first whites started settling).

O.F. Allen, an early settler and nephew of a Houston founder, wrote of his experience in the infant city:
"Once could hardly picture the jungle and swampy woods that a good portion of the city is built upon. These swampy grounds had to be cleared and drained. The writer himself quite clearly remembers that the southwestern portion of the city was a green scum lake, studded with giant sweet gum trees, and water from one to two and a half feet deep... The labor of clearing the great space was done by negro slaves and Mexicans, as no white man could have worked and endured the insect bites and malaria, snake bites, impure water, and other hardships. Many of the blacks died before their work was done."

The mexicans were prisoner of war from the Texas revolution and were banished from living in the city. And Hispanics wouldn't become a self sustaining community here until the 1910s at the earliest, making African-Americans the longest continuous community in the city of Houston.

You can't just apply capitalist reasoning as to why these communities which our people literally built from the ground up should be gentrified. We wont accept that.

Our people established hundreds of independent all-black or freedmen's towns and neighborhoods towns precisely to escape white violence, encroachment, and supremacy. immediately after the end of slavery. Texas is home to more of these than any other state. Arguably the most significant of which is right here in Houston in what was/is Independence Heights(known as studewood today), the first and maybe only one of which to be granted a municipal charter to become a full fledged independent city.

Our forefathers and foremothers didn't build these communities for them to be gentrified and erased by the same people who they were trying to get away from.

And lets just be completely honest here. Nobody but AAs are even remotely interested in honoring that heritage.


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Right, nothing is stopping black venture capitalists from taking charge. Chamellionare himself is doing so right now. Race really doesn't matter in this.

Yes, it does, especially when you have certain individuals you seem to specifically target these neighborhoods when calling for gentrification while conveniently ignoring others, and the majority of the people displaced are of one race and the majority of ppl moving in their place are another.

It mattered when these neighborhoods/settlements were built and it still does.

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Old 11-13-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Yep as I got folks off Yellowstone and they laugh when they said how fast the whites left in the 60s when they moved in. Cullen MS was white. Most went to Hiram Clarke, South Park, Missouri City, Fondren or by Sterling but left again. What a vicious cycle

The issue is when the youth who were forced to live in a gentrified area get older - where will they go? Who’ll be able to unload the abundance of overpriced townhomes?
They left for the suburbs because most of them at the time had a strict sundown policy and explicitly racist covenants in the deeds.

And I agree with all those named except Missouri City. It's bs that white people were there first.

Look up the Waters plantation on what is today called "sienna plantation" in mo city and see who was ACTUALLY there first(far as non indigenous groups go).
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:07 PM
 
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You can't just apply capitalist reasoning as to why these communities which our people literally built from the ground up should be gentrified. We wont accept that.
The market processes happen regardless of whether we want to or not. That's just how it is in the US, and it's even more rampant in Houston, due to the laissez-faire land use practices.

Of course, it's an entirely different matter with regards to whether such practices are ethical or not. Reduced crime and modern redevelopment certainly are positives, but obviously the marginalization of established individuals is an issue. Maybe the best of both worlds is possible?

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Our people established hundreds of independent all-black or freedmen's towns and neighborhoods towns precisely to escape white violence, encroachment, and supremacy. immediately after the end of slavery. Texas is home to more of these than any other state. Arguably the most significant of which is right here in Houston in what was/is Independence Heights(known as studewood today), the first and maybe only one of which to be granted a municipal charter to become a full fledged independent city.

Our forefathers and foremothers didn't build these communities for them to be gentrified and erased by the same people who they were trying to get away from.

And lets just be completely honest here. Nobody but AAs are even remotely interested in honoring that heritage.
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Yes, it does, especially when you have certain individuals you seem to specifically target these neighborhoods when calling for gentrification while conveniently ignoring others, and the majority of the people displaced are of one race and the majority of ppl moving in their place are another.

It mattered when these neighborhoods/settlements were built and it still does.
Gentrification is simply the case of the affluent moving into established urban areas. So fundamentally, it's a shift by market forces with respect to class. As a result, any racial divisions are unintentional, a complete happenstance at best.

Plus, in respect to race, keep in mind that the types of whites that move into cities aren't the same types of whites that would have demonized blacks back in the day. That's because the city whites tend to be liberal/left-leaning, and so would strongly be in support of societal reforms such as Civil Rights for all groups of people.

As far as "targeting" during the gentrification process, that is determined strictly by market desirability with respect to city amenities. With 3rd Ward, for instance, the push for gentrification is strong because the area sits between two of the city's major research complexes, the Med Center to the west, and University of Houston to the east. In contrast, Acre's Home, farther from the center of the city, isn't as high in demand.

Overall, the effects of capitalism can be quite harsh. And there are indeed quite a few racial implications, even though the fundamentals aren't connected. This makes it even more important to acknowledge how much the Internet has changed the game - no longer are there any gatekeepers to wealth, mobility, and change, your deepest dreams can become reality with simply some WiFi and a little discipline. So welcome yourself to the new generation of prosperity, where there are no limits.

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Old 11-14-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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The market processes happen regardless of whether we want to or not. That's just how it is in the US, and it's even more rampant in Houston, due to the laissez-faire land use practices.

Of course, it's an entirely different matter with regards to whether such practices are ethical or not. Reduced crime and modern redevelopment certainly are positives, but obviously the marginalization of established individuals is an issue. Maybe the best of both worlds is possible?





Gentrification is simply the case of the affluent moving into established urban areas. So fundamentally, it's a shift by market forces with respect to class. As a result, any racial divisions are unintentional, a complete happenstance at best.

Plus, in respect to race, keep in mind that the types of whites that move into cities aren't the same types of whites that would have demonized blacks back in the day. That's because the city whites tend to be liberal/left-leaning, and so would strongly be in support of societal reforms such as Civil Rights for all groups of people.

As far as "targeting" during the gentrification process, that is determined strictly by market desirability with respect to city amenities. With 3rd Ward, for instance, the push for gentrification is strong because the area sits between two of the city's major research complexes, the Med Center to the west, and University of Houston to the east. In contrast, Acre's Home, farther from the center of the city, isn't as high in demand.

Overall, the effects of capitalism can be quite harsh. And there are indeed quite a few racial implications, even though the fundamentals aren't connected. This makes it even more important to acknowledge how much the Internet has changed the game - no longer are there any gatekeepers to wealth, mobility, and change, your deepest dreams can become reality with simply some WiFi and a little discipline. So welcome yourself to the new generation of prosperity, where there are no limits.
To say that capitalism has nothing do with race is to fundamentally reveal a lot of ignorance about both capitalism and racism.
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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To say that capitalism has nothing do with race is to fundamentally reveal a lot of ignorance about both capitalism and racism.

What? Only white nationalists can be capitalists?


Do you know Karl Marx was a white guy?
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