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Old 11-15-2019, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Yes I understand that gentrification means that white people are moving into neighborhoods that were traditionally Black neighborhoods. Can we please leave RACE out of the equation? There are plenty of middle class blacks moving to the suburbs and nobody is making a big deal out of that. I seriously am starting to think that whites are more accepting of blacks than the reverse.
MLK had a dream. Now let's live it together.
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Old 11-15-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Yes I understand that gentrification means that white people are moving into neighborhoods that were traditionally Black neighborhoods. Can we please leave RACE out of the equation? There are plenty of middle class blacks moving to the suburbs and nobody is making a big deal out of that. I seriously am starting to think that whites are more accepting of blacks than the reverse.
MLK had a dream. Now let's live it together.
their just laying their heads down at night. Not really involving themselves in the community. Their not in the local public schools, churches, etc.
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Old 11-15-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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their just laying their heads down at night. Not really involving themselves in the community. Their not in the local public schools, churches, etc.



Exactly they send their kids to private schools or find loopholes in the zoning rules to send their kids to public schools outside the area like falsifying their addresses.


They have little to no stake in the community despite living in the neighborhood. They simply see the black community there as a necessary burden to put up with in exchange for the prime location and cheap prices.

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Old 11-15-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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What? Only white nationalists can be capitalists?


Do you know Karl Marx was a white guy?
To your first question, anecdotally I've worked at least two low paying jobs in my life where the boss specifically stated that he would not hire a black person. That's one way that you have racism in a capitalist economy, yes. But there are others just as damaging and these involve the exploitation of the labor of the vulnerable. Black people and other minorities are the most vulnerable members of our society, so they get more exploited.

To your second question, I was aware of Marx's whiteness. But saying that capitalism is racist doesn't mean that anyone who counters or challenges it has to be a person of color. I think your logic there might be flawed.

Beyond these questions, you should start with an examination of the rise of industrial capitalism in conjunction with an examination of the development of colonialism in western Europe. If you did that, you would see how colonialism and industrialization are linked to the rise of racism in the west. When you need cheap or slave labor, you also tend to rethink your ethics. If you can find a way to tell yourself that other races are inferior, bingo! You have the labor supply you need (and their natural resources to boot) and you don't have to feel bad about it because you also develop a theory of your own superiority. Capitalism and racism are absolutely linked.
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Old 11-15-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Exactly they send their kids to private schools or find loopholes in the zoning rules to send their kids to public schools outside the area like falsifying their addresses.


They have little to no stake in the community despite living in the neighborhood. They simply see the black community there as a necessary burden to put up with in exchange for the prime location and cheap prices.
While I fully agree that being neighborly and involved in your local community can be desirable from a societal benefits standpoint, there should be zero obligation for a public regulatory role to require that a new resident in any community participate culturally in a neighborhood. Areas like 3rd Ward and Montrose that whine about this all the time just have to grow up and understand that you don't get to choose who can live in, or buy in, your community. Places change. Period.

Now, if you want local government to enact assistance or incentive programs that might encourage existing residents or people of lower incomes to have more reasonable choices to remain or move to such neighborhoods, then there's a more possibilities to discuss. But those are carrots, not sticks or fences, which is what some folks seem to think should happen.
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Old 11-15-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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While I fully agree that being neighborly and involved in your local community can be desirable from a societal benefits standpoint, there should be zero obligation for a public regulatory role to require that a new resident in any community participate culturally in a neighborhood. Areas like 3rd Ward and Montrose that whine about this all the time just have to grow up and understand that you don't get to choose who can live in, or buy in, your community. Places change. Period.

Now, if you want local government to enact assistance or incentive programs that might encourage existing residents or people of lower incomes to have more reasonable choices to remain or move to such neighborhoods, then there's a more possibilities to discuss. But those are carrots, not sticks or fences, which is what some folks seem to think should happen.
Do you really think anyone is proposing a law requiring you to go to church with your neighbors?
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Old 11-15-2019, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Do you really think anyone is proposing a law requiring you to go to church with your neighbors?
There's certainly people on this discussion board who are advocating the position that people shouldn't be allowed to move into certain neighborhoods unless they are participating in those neighborhoods' cultural traditions. Which is, of course, an invalid position in a just society.
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Old 11-15-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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There's certainly people on this discussion board who are advocating the position that people shouldn't be allowed to move into certain neighborhoods unless they are participating in those neighborhoods' cultural traditions. Which is, of course, an invalid position in a just society.
That's a really bizarre reading of those posts. What I'm reading is, yes, gentrification is damaging to neighborhoods and the minorities who live there, because the people who move in aren't interested in being part of the community.
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Old 11-15-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Exactly they send their kids to private schools or find loopholes in the zoning rules to send their kids to public schools outside the area like falsifying their addresses.


They have little to no stake in the community despite living in the neighborhood. They simply see the black community there as a necessary burden to put up with in exchange for the prime location and cheap prices.
HISD has school choice, which means your kids can go to any school in the district under certain conditions. A very large number of the kids going to Lamar and Bellaire come from the Third and Fifth Ward areas. My kid goes to a magnet school in the Third Ward, but we live in the Greater Heights area.
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Old 11-15-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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What I'm reading is, yes, gentrification is damaging to neighborhoods and the minorities who live there, because the people who move in aren't interested in being part of the community.
Is that always the case?
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