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Old 11-22-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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Anyone of any race has the right to move to the Third Ward and call him/herself a Third Warder. Healthy neighborhoods accept outsiders and change, just like how healthy American suburbs accept racial minorities; those that give into rapid white flight ended up being sickly (like South Park). The "Five Points" of New York, formerly immigrant, is no longer poor. Same with the Lower East Side. Life is about change.

Third ward and it's residents will continue to develop organically together. Not one without the other. They're inseparable.


"just like how healthy American suburbs accept racial minorities;"



Is that why you can find explicitly racist language in the deeds of suburban homes to this day? And FYI there are plenty of "suburbs" in SE Texas that are historically black many of which have been overtaken by whites with the use of terrorism. Did you forget the part about TX being home to more freedmen's town than any other state.



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those that give into rapid white flight ended up being sickly (like South Park).

lol South Park wasn't even majority white for a whole generation. Those people who left South Park weren't driven out by the force of economics. They left because they were bitter about integration and the construction of 610. And they could afford to given the blatantly racist home loan discrimination. They had no real stake in that neighborhood. Like African-Americans do in the historically black neighborhoods.



And south park is the way it is because of systematic racial discrimination, like everywhere African Americans live. Not because of "white flight".



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Lower income Third Ward residents who feel the taxes are getting too high are welcome to sell, get some money, and get a nice house in the suburbs. Third Ward residents who do not own their own properties unfortunately are out of luck.

The absentee landlords may not share your vision of the Third Ward always being predominately poor, JYHTOWN. You can't control what they do.

I don't care if they do or not. My view is the view of the majority of the people in community. There are plenty of ways to put these predatory landlords in their place which we are fighting for.



Rent caps



Affordable housing tax policies


Community land trust


Down payment assistance programs.



And furthermore we can take a page out of the book of Hispanics in East LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxcdyAy4qE


Remember that *WE* view this as war. Not economic opportunity or a simple short drive to "midtown" or downtown. We're willing to go extreme measures for our neighborhoods.



Just look at how the entire black community have rallied in solidarity with the Turkey Leg Hut against the white gentrifiers/colonizers trying to sue them in Third ward. We want THEM gone, not the Turkey Leg Hut.

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Old 11-22-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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it is true that many African-Americans have family roots longer in Houston than many of the white people, who came in the 1970s or later (from the North and Midwest) - many African-Americans who weren't from longtime families have origins in Louisiana and Mississippi (the latter because of 1920s floods in Mississippi).

The vast majority of African-Americans with 20th century roots outside of houston come from rural Texas(same state) and rural Louisiana(next state over). Unlike white houstonians who come from northern transplants and illegal european immigrants. And the ones who are from old houstonian hertiage are of savage confederate war criminal and slave owning stock who should be forced to pay reparations.



And FYI black Louisianians also founded and built whole towns and neighborhoods in the Houston areas before most white american families got here like Frenchtown 5th ward and Barrett Station TX in east Harris County.



Fact is that African-American were living in and built Houston before even the very first white american settlers.



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Its true that the original Houston townsite was built with slave labor. It was also a much smaller, less significant city back then. It wasn't until the 1900s-1910s or so that Houston began to surpass Galveston. Even in the 1950s New Orleans was a major city in the South Central US versus Houston. The major land development in the second half of the 20th century means that most of Houston was developed after the civil rights act of 1964.

And ironically the original houston townsite that our people built under the harsh conditions of chattel slavery like the historical wards is exactly where you colonizers want to displace the original african american population that built them with their blood sweat and tears. Why can't you people build your own CBDs in your suburbs and outskirts if you're so productive without the help of slave labor.



Also, Houston had it's first economic boom in the 1850s with the construction of the Houston & Texas Central Railway system through the city, which was of course built with slave labor as well.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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The Houston suburbs which have Jim Crow racist covenants are in all probabilitly considered inner city today (think Sharpdyown and Westbury). The covenants are an unenforceable artifact of him Crow, and they should be removed.

White flight was (snd in many cases, is) due to racist motives.

Have you spoken to people who knew Lenwood Johnson or Timothy O'Brien? Those men were more angry st establishment black politicians than Republican white ones in Sugar Land.

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Third ward and it's residents will continue to develop organically together. Not one without the other. They're inseparable.


"just like how healthy American suburbs accept racial minorities;"



Is that why you can find explicitly racist language in the deeds of suburban homes to this day? And FYI there are plenty of "suburbs" in SE Texas that are historically black many of which have been overtaken by whites with the use of terrorism. Did you forget the part about TX being home to more freedmen's town than any other state.






lol South Park wasn't even majority white for a whole generation. Those people who left South Park weren't driven out by the force of economics. They left because they were bitter about integration and the construction of 610. And they could afford to given the blatantly racist home loan discrimination. They had no real stake in that neighborhood. Like African-Americans do in the historically black neighborhoods.



And south park is the way it is because of systematic racial discrimination, like everywhere African Americans live. Not because of "white flight".






I don't care if they do or not. My view is the view of the majority of the people in community. There are plenty of ways to put these predatory landlords in their place which we are fighting for.



Rent caps



Affordable housing tax policies


Community land trust


Down payment assistance programs.



And furthermore we can take a page out of the book of Hispanics in East LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxcdyAy4qE


Remember that *WE* view this as war. Not economic opportunity or a simple short drive to "midtown" or downtown. We're willing to go extreme measures for our neighborhoods.



Just look at how the entire black community have rallied in solidarity with the Turkey Leg Hut against the white gentrifiers/colonizers trying to sue them in Third ward. We want THEM gone, not the Turkey Leg Hut.
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Old 11-22-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Sorry for the spelling errors.. my phone doesn't have a good spell check. Anyway while the proposed solutions are interesting, they wouldnt stop landlords from just selling the properties.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Rent caps



Affordable housing tax policies


Community land trust


Down payment assistance programs.



And furthermore we can take a page out of the book of Hispanics in East LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxcdyAy4qE
The position of the Boyle Heights protesters is completely appalling and unacceptable, as is your support of them. It has no place in a decent America. It is utterly non-legitimate. It is irrelevant that their community was likely forced to be there because of past racism.

Your ideas on measures to put in place - EXCEPT RENT CONTROL, which is never acceptable except when a condition of a received government incentive - are definitely acceptable, however, as long as they are not restricted to a particular ethnocultural or racial group. And there are organizations and government agencies that are trying to do those very things, including in 3rd Ward.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I wish we would rally for more causes than a restaurant as that end of almeda has changed long time ago

All those townhomes being built and a lot are empty.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:09 AM
 
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I wish we would rally for more causes than a restaurant as that end of almeda has changed long time ago

All those townhomes being built and a lot are empty.
I wonder if there's a way to determine occupancy rates of the townhomes? I know some places have had trouble with foreign investors buying property and not occupying it...
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:56 AM
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Fact is that African-American were living in and built Houston before even the very first white american settlers
Really now. When did they get there, and how?
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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Really now. When did they get there, and how?

1836, Domestic slave trade.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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I wish we would rally for more causes than a restaurant as that end of almeda has changed long time ago

All those townhomes being built and a lot are empty.

Of course, but this shows where the community stands on this issue. Them rallying around the TLH, a successful black owned business located in a heavily gentrified area, is just one of the ways they feel they can fight back against this being forced on them.
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