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Old 11-27-2019, 11:47 PM
 
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Looks like there was round of montrose type gentrification in the 80s as this article talks about how the mental hospitals came to be on MACGREGOR

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/easy-street/
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Default Gentrification is a good thing

It is a proven FACT that gentrification causes a drastic drop in crime and that justifies any displacement problems.
The more a city is gentrified the lower the crime rate becomes. Then the City becomes more desirable and people will want to live there and invest there. It is the best thing for the City. This is a fact of life.
Now to appease the few people who may be displaced or unhappy the City should preserve a few historic relics that reflect the neighborhoods past like Imancipation park and the bricks or whatever they are. You know maybe we can mark a historic site with a plaque or something to make it look like we are trying to preserve the heritage of the area. But the reality is that the City must Gentrify in order to survive.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Willowbrook, Houston
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It is a proven FACT that gentrification causes a drastic drop in crime and that justifies any displacement problems.
The more a city is gentrified the lower the crime rate becomes. Then the City becomes more desirable and people will want to live there and invest there. It is the best thing for the City. This is a fact of life.
Now to appease the few people who may be displaced or unhappy the City should preserve a few historic relics that reflect the neighborhoods past like Emancipation park and the bricks or whatever they are. You know maybe we can mark a historic site with a plaque or something to make it look like we are trying to preserve the heritage of the area. But the reality is that the City must Gentrify in order to survive.
And that's why there's so much pushback from residents in historic black communities, because where are they supposed to go? That's the question no one wants to answer.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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And that's why there's so much pushback from residents in historic black communities, because where are they supposed to go? That's the question no one wants to answer.
People need to answer this question. Looking through demographic data shows that the black population of parts of west Houston is growing. Also there's undeveloped land along 288 between 610 and the Beltway, so the Hiram Clarke area and points south of Sunnyside and South Park may be developed. Also North Forest, now that it's in HISD, could get additional development.

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Looks like there was round of montrose type gentrification in the 80s as this article talks about how the mental hospitals came to be on MACGREGOR

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/easy-street/
I read parts of the article and it seems like it's even more messed up that the area had a recovery in the 70s but that government organs were trying to fob off "undesireable" institutions on the neighborhood specifically (I think now the hospital on Macgregor is just a geriatric hospital, thankfully)

With gentrification and racial integration the white folk living there can lobby on behalf of the neighborhood and make it harder for government organs to screw over the rest (black) of the population. This is something Sheryl Cashin talked about. https://web.archive.org/web/20060203...id_article=135

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This underinvestment in Prince George's highlights a central weakness of racially segregated communities: a concentration of racial minorities--particularly of black people--can and often does lead to a decline in access to and influence of dominant institutional actors that shape markets. This is not an apology for racist or ignorant market actors. It is a statement of fact. I have had colleagues in the academic community react angrily or skeptically when I present facts like these. They would like to explain away these unfair tendencies of markets based upon anything other than race. But I am not alone in pointing out these tendencies. Empirical studies show that commercial disinvestment in majority-black communities, even affluent ones, is commonplace.

Prince George's County is not unique. The five common assumptions about suburban life do not seem to maintain for most other middle-class black communities. Despite their psychic benefits, there are some difficult issues that need to be addressed in order to make majority-black communities eminently viable, issues that we don't like to discuss openly. When it comes to where we live, integration may have eluded, failed, or simply been unappealing to many black people. But separation doesn't seem to be working entirely either.
Louis Farrakhan ideology is sadly a dead end. Black communities like Riverside Terrace need white and Asian stakeholders who can lobby on behalf of the neighborhood and keep bad stuff out of it.
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Default Are we in a free country or a socialist/communist country?

Supposedly America is a free market economy. That statement is socialist in nature. I can't think of one instance where anyone has ever used force or a threat in order to remove a black person from their house in recent times unless it was by another Black person.
They have the exact same constitutional rights as any white person does and they have the same property rights as any white person does.
Again, there are PLENTY of blacks moving out to the suburbs right now. Many now live in a house where a white person used to live. I have yet to see anyone complain that the blacks are displacing white people in the suburbs. THIS IS A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. NOT SOCIALISM. Race does not matter.BTW There are also a lot of White,Hispanic and Asian people being "Displaced" as well and you dont hear them crying. They dont go around whining about bricks.
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Old 11-29-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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The enactment of the civil rights act in the 1960s ended overt violence from whites preventing black people from moving places, and the enactment of federal hate crimes laws and civil suits helped. There's a reason the Michael Donald killing in the 1980s lead to the destruction of a Klan group.

Having said that, I would suggest you read Sheryl Cashin's essay. What's going on is that realtors and financial institutions have used more subtle tricks to steer black people one place and white people another place. Newsday did an undercover investigation showing realtors steered black people into places they didn't white folks, an act illegal under a 1968 federal fair housing law https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/n...ng-island.html

BTW which instances of black men circa today (2019) using "force or a threat in order to remove a black person from their house" ? I haven't heard of such a thing.

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Supposedly America is a free market economy. That statement is socialist in nature. I can't think of one instance where anyone has ever used force or a threat in order to remove a black person from their house in recent times unless it was by another Black person.
They have the exact same constitutional rights as any white person does and they have the same property rights as any white person does.
Again, there are PLENTY of blacks moving out to the suburbs right now. Many now live in a house where a white person used to live. I have yet to see anyone complain that the blacks are displacing white people in the suburbs. THIS IS A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. NOT SOCIALISM. Race does not matter.BTW There are also a lot of White,Hispanic and Asian people being "Displaced" as well and you dont hear them crying. They dont go around whining about bricks.
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Old 11-29-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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People need to answer this question. Looking through demographic data shows that the black population of parts of west Houston is growing. Also there's undeveloped land along 288 between 610 and the Beltway, so the Hiram Clarke area and points south of Sunnyside and South Park may be developed. Also North Forest, now that it's in HISD, could get additional development.
Those areas aren’t as walkable and were never designed for residential in some aspects as the trend is warehouses around the beltway. Why get pushed out further and then the people your pushed out there with then moves further if things change?
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Old 11-29-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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While I don't think the real estate cycle of "Area A gets expensive, so people who can't afford taxes must move to Area B" should be artificially stopped (this is why I use the analogy of Paris - there's a reason people want to live in the center there), I do think making the cycles of gentrification smoother/more gradual would help addressing that concern. Maybe some tax relief for people who are financial distress or XX in debt so they can help wrap up their affairs and find more manageable housing could help.

As for walkability, it's true a lot of the mid-century developments, especially of apartments, weren't built for such - that is what plagued Gulfton for the 1980s and 1990s. For blocks of apartments I would be interested in studying the steps taken to make Gulfton more walkable and see how that applies to places like Hiram Clarke.

On the transport side, I've been in countries where bus shelters are the norm and now wonder why we even have non-shelter stops. Make every stop a bus shelter, put sidewalks in all places pedestrians are expected, and find ways of designing walking access (especially for new construction) so it is not so cumbersome would make these suburban areas much easier for people who need to walk.

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Those areas aren’t as walkable and were never designed for residential in some aspects as the trend is warehouses around the beltway. Why get pushed out further and then the people your pushed out there with then moves further if things change?
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Old 12-01-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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It is a proven FACT that gentrification causes a drastic drop in crime and that justifies any displacement problems.

Actually crime in these neighborhoods has been on a natural decline since the late 90s. Nothing to do with you colonizers.



The only FACT is the homeless epidemic caused by gentrification which is more than enough justification to oppose gentrification on all fronts.



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The more a city is gentrified the lower the crime rate becomes. Then the City becomes more desirable and people will want to live there and invest there. It is the best thing for the City. This is a fact of life.
Now to appease the few people who may be displaced or unhappy the City should preserve a few historic relics that reflect the neighborhoods past like Imancipation park and the bricks or whatever they are. You know maybe we can mark a historic site with a plaque or something to make it look like we are trying to preserve the heritage of the area. But the reality is that the City must Gentrify in order to survive.

Well like I said, you're free to do what you want in your own white areas, but leave ours alone. Otherwise things WILL boil over as we will not accept displacement and the prospect of mass homelessness laying down. And it's going to be a really bad look when all of that "black on black" you people make hysteria out of is directed at you and your ilk. I doubt all of those precious investors and colonizers will want to move to a city entrenched in a full blown race war.



After all, what do we have to lose if the city is burned to the ground? We're already the poorest and most marginalized group and you're attempting to take what little we do have here. You might want to stop and ask yourself that.

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Old 12-01-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Supposedly America is a free market economy. That statement is socialist in nature. I can't think of one instance where anyone has ever used force or a threat in order to remove a black person from their house in recent times unless it was by another Black person.
They have the exact same constitutional rights as any white person does and they have the same property rights as any white person does.
. They dont go around whining about bricks.

My people never choose "America", "Texas", or "Houston". Unlike you and other people of immigrant background we were forced to come to these lands, this country, this state, and even this city in chains, and build it from the ground up when no one wanted to move here.



We never got the chance to choose on whether we wanted capitalism, socialism, or communism. We had to fight tooth and nail for the basic human rights we do have.



But, human ethics says WE DO have the right to self determination just like the native americans. And we will start by opposing your plans of mass displacement and homelessness through gentrification.



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Again, there are PLENTY of blacks moving out to the suburbs right now. Many now live in a house where a white person used to live. I have yet to see anyone complain that the blacks are displacing white people in the suburbs.

I guess you must've missed the part about white people in Humble literally FORCING every black person to leave the town after the sawmill was closed down in the 20s, which led to the refugees creating the bordersville community.


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They dont go around whining about bricks.

That's rich coming from a group of people who through mass hissy fits and called for the defunding of an entire city when the statue of a savage confederate war criminal was removed. A statue that isn't anywhere NEAR as old as those bricks mind you. Sorry, but there's no bigger cry babies and entitled sore losers as white americans.

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