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Old 12-03-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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It’s funny - we move into their neighborhoods and they run.

The then want to come back into our neighborhoods they either abandoned or never lived in and they get mad and want to upset the balance when it doesn’t fit their needs
You’ve said a lot here.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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Yeah, Frenchtown certainly wasn't the only place lou creole migrated to when they came here. They settled all over SETX really. 3rd ward was a popular destination because it has the oldest black catholic church. So, was 4th ward, because it was just the most popular black neighborhood in the city at one time.



Barrett Station TX in East Harris county was founded, built, and settled by black Louisianians before Frenchtown, and was popular destination for them after the great MS flood. The baytown area was another popular destination. Lotta the ones from Frenchtown ended up moving to Kashmere & Trinity Garden, as well as the Homestead area like my grandparents.



But they can be found all over the city really. Look at Beyonce's folk from way out in Alief.
Thank you for this history. It’s sad that all of this history can potentially be harmed by hungry developers. Houston has such a strong black culture and community.
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Willowbrook, Houston
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People like to say that gentrification causes a drop in crime in the ghettos, well...crime was already dropping in black hoods around Houston since the 90s, and this was WITHOUT GENTRIFICATION. People can't expect blacks in the historic black neighborhoods around this city to lie down and accept gentrification; y'all must not know what happens when blacks group up and stick together.
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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Lenwood Johnson was the closest to your last sentence, and even then he expressed profound disappointment in establishment black politicians and had to accept a reduction in capacity (but not land area) of APV.

Speaking of crime, I wonder if crime per capita dropped in these neighborhoods, or only overall levels of crime? I imagine other trends such as unleaded gasoline, lack of lead paint, etc. helped as well.

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People like to say that gentrification causes a drop in crime in the ghettos, well...crime was already dropping in black hoods around Houston since the 90s, and this was WITHOUT GENTRIFICATION. People can't expect blacks in the historic black neighborhoods around this city to lie down and accept gentrification; y'all must not know what happens when blacks group up and stick together.
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:09 AM
 
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Lenwood Johnson was the closest to your last sentence, and even then he expressed profound disappointment in establishment black politicians and had to accept a reduction in capacity (but not land area) of APV.

Speaking of crime, I wonder if crime per capita dropped in these neighborhoods, or only overall levels of crime? I imagine other trends such as unleaded gasoline, lack of lead paint, etc. helped as well.

That's an individual, not a movement, dedicated as he was.


There's a reason why the Arab spring was galvanized and organized through twitter primarily, not by Saad Ibrahim.

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Old 12-04-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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If anything that shows his strength more as Twitter didn't exist when he started his movement. Movements often need strong leaders, or else the factions can be divided: Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter got into factional/directional issues over the lack of a strong leader.

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That's an individual, not a movement, dedicated as he was.


There's a reason why the Arab spring was galvanized and organized through twitter primarily, not by Saad Ibrahim.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: ✶✶Avondale/Logan Square, Chicago✶✶
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Everyone wants jobs and opportunities and investment to come to their neighborhood until it actually does and brings strange new people with it.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Speaking of that, let's see how Riverside Terrace, a.k.a. Super Neighborhood Macgregor, is doing: https://www.houstontx.gov/planning/D..._Macgregor.pdf

From 2000 to 2015:

The overall population increased from 13,997 to 18,459. The median income increased from $39,615 to $63,118 (don't know if inflation is taken into account). The under 25K percentage decreased from 41% to 35%, and the over 100K percentage increased from 10% to 24%. The white population percentage increased from 9% to 21%. The black population percentage fell from 80% to 59%.

EDIT: If the 39.6K is NOT adjusted for inflation, https://www.in2013dollars.com/2000-d...5?amount=39615 says that 39.6K in 2000 is worth $54,526.30 in 2015.

As for the Greater Third Ward, https://www.houstontx.gov/planning/D..._ThirdWard.pdf says the median income increased from $14,493 to $40,523. If the figures were not inflation adjusted, https://www.in2013dollars.com/2000-d...5?amount=14493 $14,493 in 2000 dollars would be $19,948.24 in 2015 dollars.

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Everyone wants jobs and opportunities and investment to come to their neighborhood until it actually does and brings strange new people with it.

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Old 12-04-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Everyone wants jobs and opportunities and investment to come to their neighborhood until it actually does and brings strange new people with it.

Except we've stated from the beginning that we wanted organic growth of the PEOPLE *WITH* the neighborhood not just adding superficial polishing the infrastructure of the neighborhood that ignores and ultimately prices out the residents.

IE If there's no job training and hiring of a certain amount of members of the community as well as extra care taken to preserve our heritage then we don't want any big construction projects. Especially when the building is used to house or conduct business with people who primarily aren't from the neighborhood.

Don't project your desires onto us. Just be honest and say you want to force something onto us against our will, so we can deal with you accordingly.

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Old 12-04-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: ✶✶Avondale/Logan Square, Chicago✶✶
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Except we've stated from the beginning that we wanted organic growth of the PEOPLE *WITH* the neighborhood not just adding superficial polishing the infrastructure of the neighborhood that ignores and ultimately prices out the residents.
And what has come out of that want over the last 30, 40 plus years?

Everything changes in Houston. Most of that change is affected from forces outside of that neighborhood. A lot of people who lived on the other side of 288/Main 25 years ago can't afford it now. Houston as a whole is a lot more expensive to live in than it was 25 years ago.

I just did a search to see where $1500/mo would get me a three bedroom apartment in Houston. My place here in Chicago right now is a little south of that. It looks like I have very few options inside the loop and west of 288. Basically I'd have to go back to South Main from where I was posting here some 10 years ago. No thanks.

Now, it does look like there are options in Third Ward, and they did just build the rail through there...
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