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Old 12-04-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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Everyone wants jobs and opportunities and investment to come to their neighborhood until it actually does and brings strange new people with it.
Bagel shops and avocado toast stands aren't that strange. Gentrifying is great, for the people it benefits the most. Exactly what does it do for the current residents? The ones that sell, get a check back, but too many are forced to do so.

Setting certain rhetoric aside, an improved community is great, and I don't think anyone can argue that. But there isn't a very good example that I can think of where residents from any low income area in any major city were rejoiced with the increased cost of living. The same reasons people want to move in, are the same reasons why they don't want to move out. I'm sure the movie Up would be much different if Carl stopped pouting about his house and sold.

The rich history and culture of these places adds on to the resentment, but it should not be issue. I mentioned it earlier, Little Italy is nothing more than a tourist trap now.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:46 AM
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Location: ✶✶Avondale/Logan Square, Chicago✶✶
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I mentioned it earlier, Little Italy is nothing more than a tourist trap now.
Montrose used to be the most interesting neighborhood in Houston, and now it's a festering man-bun douchepit on the order of McKinney Street in Dallas. Even if I could pay rent over there, I wouldn't want to.

The social narrative is different with me, so I'm not "gentrified" out. I merely think Montrose sucks now, and nobody cares. Nobody's going to hold rallies in my support.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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Bagel shops and avocado toast stands aren't that strange. Gentrifying is great, for the people it benefits the most. Exactly what does it do for the current residents? The ones that sell, get a check back, but too many are forced to do so.

Setting certain rhetoric aside, an improved community is great, and I don't think anyone can argue that. But there isn't a very good example that I can think of where residents from any low income area in any major city were rejoiced with the increased cost of living. The same reasons people want to move in, are the same reasons why they don't want to move out. I'm sure the movie Up would be much different if Carl stopped pouting about his house and sold.

The rich history and culture of these places adds on to the resentment, but it should not be issue. I mentioned it earlier, Little Italy is nothing more than a tourist trap now.

3rd, 4th, and 5th ward freedmen's settlments in Houston are all older than little italy ny. Plus, African-Americans are physically incapable of integrating into whiteness like Italians did. And of course, there's the whole chattel slave trade where AfrAms were literally forced to come to this country, state, and city itself to build it from the ground up, before they even existed as a community of free people.

The situation of italian immigrants and their descedents isn't at all comparable to the situation of Afr'am freed slaves and their descendants.





Edit: They're older than montrose too. All the things that make the situation of italians incomparable to that of Afr'Ams apply to the lgbt/hipster community as well. At the end of the day history shows that white is white.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Montrose used to be the most interesting neighborhood in Houston, and now it's a festering man-bun douchepit on the order of McKinney Street in Dallas. Even if I could pay rent over there, I wouldn't want to.

The social narrative is different with me, so I'm not "gentrified" out. I merely think Montrose sucks now, and nobody cares. Nobody's going to hold rallies in my support.
to be fair, Montrose gentrified so easy because it wasn't a poor neighborhood. It was a safe space for those residents at a time when Houston wasn't the giant it is today. I remember as a kid how well maintained the older homes were. They were cheap and well kept, despite being surrounded by hoods.

I'm on the side of owners who have invested into their communities, gay or not.

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The situation of italian immigrants and their descedents isn't at all comparable to the situation of Afr'am freed slaves and their descendants.
I agree.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:20 PM
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to be fair, Montrose gentrified so easy because it wasn't a poor neighborhood. It was a safe space for those residents at a time when Houston wasn't the giant it is today. I remember as a kid how well maintained the older homes were. They were cheap and well kept, despite being surrounded by hoods.
It was more than that. It was the artists and musicians and such who weren't the type of rednecks who beat people up because they were homosexual. Montrose becoming the gayborhood was the cart behind that horse. That creative class can't live there anymore, and nobody in the greater world gives a ****. They're told to go back to school and learn to code.
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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Speaking of rednecks, I would say they've vanished from Houston. I heard back in the 1960s and stuff there were lots of shootings at bars on Telephone Road because of rednecks getting mad at each other, and it used to be legal to shoot a man for sleeping with your wife. Now lots of the old redneck neighborhoods on the east side have turned Hispanic. I think you have to go out to the rural areas to find rednecks now.

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It was more than that. It was the artists and musicians and such who weren't the type of rednecks who beat people up because they were homosexual. Montrose becoming the gayborhood was the cart behind that horse. That creative class can't live there anymore, and nobody in the greater world gives a ****. They're told to go back to school and learn to code.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:23 PM
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Speaking of rednecks, I would say they've vanished from Houston.
Well, yes, they couldn't afford it anymore if they wanted to.

I wasn't really looking at the forces that created a neighborhood like Montrose through the prism of the current status quo, though. More like how it was 30 or 40 years ago. There were a lot of rednecks back then, and you didn't have to be a redneck to have a less than enlightened view on homosexuals in those days.

Historical context is important. These discussions about "gentrification" are useless without it.
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Willowbrook, Houston
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Now, it does look like there are options in Third Ward, and they did just build the rail through there...
The rail was built for easy access to UH & TSU. When I first started undergrad, students had to drive to school, even if they lived fairly close to the universities. Now, you can hop on the TSU/UH light rail to either campus.
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Old 12-04-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Well, yes, they couldn't afford it anymore if they wanted to.

I wasn't really looking at the forces that created a neighborhood like Montrose through the prism of the current status quo, though. More like how it was 30 or 40 years ago. There were a lot of rednecks back then, and you didn't have to be a redneck to have a less than enlightened view on homosexuals in those days.

Historical context is important. These discussions about "gentrification" are useless without it.
they were in the working class areas - refinery areas mostly but Bellarie was that area also

Galena Park, Pasadena, North Houston (45 north area / Parker Road)
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:50 PM
 
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Bellaire got wealthy in the 1980s, and in the other areas Hidpanic and Latino people are now the majority.


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they were in the working class areas - refinery areas mostly but Bellarie was that area also

Galena Park, Pasadena, North Houston (45 north area / Parker Road)
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