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Old 12-05-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Willowbrook, Houston
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The fact is, white people chose to leave when blacks started moving into formerly white neighborhoods and now they want to gentrify the hood as a way to take back their neighborhood. As soon as blacks started moving into South Park, the whites left for the suburbs. Rinse and repeat for other black neighborhoods that used to be white back in the day. It bears repeating that crime in the ghettos have been declining since the 90s, and it didn't take gentrification for that to happen. Developers think blacks are Boo Boo The Fool; they wait until crime starts dropping in the ghettos before they want to come in and gentrify. The black community isn't fooled.
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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The fact is, white people chose to leave when blacks started moving into formerly white neighborhoods and now they want to gentrify the hood as a way to take back their neighborhood. As soon as blacks started moving into South Park, the whites left for the suburbs. Rinse and repeat for other black neighborhoods that used to be white back in the day. It bears repeating that crime in the ghettos have been declining since the 90s, and it didn't take gentrification for that to happen. Developers think blacks are Boo Boo The Fool; they wait until crime starts dropping in the ghettos before they want to come in and gentrify. The black community isn't fooled.
If affluent Blacks had not chosen to leave the Greater Third ward it would of been a self gentrifying thriving AA enclave.

But they did chose to leave which caused the decline in the trey which now needs gentrifying by anybody that is willing to invest in the area.

Are you seriously proposing that neighborhoods should purposely allow decay so that property values will not appreciate and keep people trapped in a cycle or poverty that very few will be able to escape ?
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:36 PM
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Are you seriously proposing that neighborhoods should purposely allow decay so that property values will not appreciate and keep people trapped in a cycle or poverty that very few will be able to escape ?
At least until the money and investment comes organically from within so as not to change the community, I'm gathering.
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Old 12-05-2019, 10:25 PM
 
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The total population of Houston in 1870 ,5 years after emancipation, was 9,382, even if the entirety of that number were AA the footprint compared with the 7 million Metro we have today would be tiny.....

Yeah, except the surrounding areas of what was then houston were made of of an EVEN LARGE proportion of African-American slaves.



The fact of the matter is that the foundation that was laid that allowed houston to grow to become an attractive destination for domestic migration and international immigrants was done by African-American slaves. The original momentum had already been set in motion for the economic growth of the city. The first economic boom happened with the construction of the Houston Tap railroad which was built by slave labor, as well.



Not to mention the city continued to engage in post emancipation forms of "soft slavery" of African-Americans through vagrancy laws, apprenticeship laws, and convict leasing programs that lasted all the way into the early 20th century. Remember when they discovered the bodies of 95 black men in sugar land who had been forced to work in the sugar mills in the city as leased convicts?



Also, Houston never really became an attractive place to immigrants until after jim crow was eliminated(again we are a SOUTHERN city). Hispanic and later Asian people's population didn't explode until after the civil rights movement of the 60s thanks to the hard work of African-Americans. Before that they were simply very small minorities in the city who were clamoring for the right to be recognized as white(or honorary whites in the case of asians) to gain favor in the racial hierarchy so they didn't get treated like black people. African-Americans were the only ones attacking the racist system of jim crow at it's core to kill it completely, because we got the worst of it.



Events like the Houston camp logan riots, which made even the most vile racist make a committment to non violence resolutions with black people from then on out, the Smith v Allwright & Sweatt v Painter case two landmark Supreme court cases that led to the abolishment of all white primaries and voter discrimination as well as the desegregation of college institutions respectively not just in Houston but the entire state of Texas, and well as the TSU students who risked their lives and freedom to organize all of their sit ins to protest issues like segregation and garbage dumps in minority residential neighborhoods. In many cases older gen hispanics in the city joined racist whites in their protest of desegregation as they didn't want to be considered equal with blacks, but the newer and prospective immigrants welcomed the change(and of course it was the civil rights movement that led to the 1965 immigration reform policy).



The elimination of Jim Crow in the city also allowed Houston to be open to receive federal funding for things like the Medical Center improvements, the Astrodome, and the NASA space program.



African-Americans are more foundational and have contributed more to this city than any other group bar none, all while being the historically the most oppressed. All non-African-Americans living here owe a lot to our community. We will not allow ourselves to be moved out of OUR city that WE built. We will be just as vigorous in asserting our historical place in this city as the hispanics are in Los Angeles.



BTW....You only named 3 so called "transitional" communities at the most that are majority black today, while I named 11 historically black communities in the city established and built from the ground up by African-Americans. And that's not even all of them.

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Old 12-06-2019, 12:18 AM
 
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Yeah, except the surrounding areas of what was then houston were made of of an EVEN LARGE proportion of African-American slaves.



The fact of the matter is that the foundation that was laid that allowed houston to grow to become an attractive destination for domestic migration and international immigrants was done by African-American slaves. The original momentum had already been set in motion for the economic growth of the city. The first economic boom happened with the construction of the Houston Tap railroad which was built by slave labor, as well.



Not to mention the city continued to engage in post emancipation forms of "soft slavery" of African-Americans through vagrancy laws, apprenticeship laws, and convict leasing programs that lasted all the way into the early 20th century. Remember when they discovered the bodies of 95 black men in sugar land who had been forced to work in the sugar mills in the city as leased convicts?



Also, Houston never really became an attractive place to immigrants until after jim crow was eliminated(again we are a SOUTHERN city). Hispanic and later Asian people's population didn't explode until after the civil rights movement of the 60s thanks to the hard work of African-Americans. Before that they were simply very small minorities in the city who were clamoring for the right to be recognized as white(or honorary whites in the case of asians) to gain favor in the racial hierarchy so they didn't get treated like black people. African-Americans were the only ones attacking the racist system of jim crow at it's core to kill it completely, because we got the worst of it.



Events like the Houston camp logan riots, which made even the most vile racist make a committment to non violence resolutions with black people from then on out, the Smith v Allwright & Sweatt v Painter case two landmark Supreme court cases that led to the abolishment of all white primaries and voter discrimination as well as the desegregation of college institutions respectively not just in Houston but the entire state of Texas, and well as the TSU students who risked their lives and freedom to organize all of their sit ins to protest issues like segregation and garbage dumps in minority residential neighborhoods. In many cases older gen hispanics in the city joined racist whites in their protest of desegregation as they didn't want to be considered equal with blacks, but the newer and prospective immigrants welcomed the change(and of course it was the civil rights movement that led to the 1965 immigration reform policy).



The elimination of Jim Crow in the city also allowed Houston to be open to receive federal funding for things like the Medical Center improvements, the Astrodome, and the NASA space program.



African-Americans are more foundational and have contributed more to this city than any other group bar none, all while being the historically the most oppressed. All non-African-Americans living here owe a lot to our community. We will not allow ourselves to be moved out of OUR city that WE built. We will be just as vigorous in asserting our historical place in this city as the hispanics are in Los Angeles.



BTW....You only named 3 so called "transitional" communities at the most that are majority black today, while I named 11 historically black communities in the city established and built from the ground up by African-Americans. And that's not even all of them.
So you do want the creation of black historical reservations comprised of every neighborhood that blacks currently constitute a majority in ? That's ridicules. I got news for you, the universe is in a constant state of flux and nothing stays completely stable for long. Besides, that real estate is way to valuable to be permanently taken out of productive use.

One thing I need to tell you about the way I think . I do not believe in transference of liability, nor the corruption of blood. I also do not believe that you, nor myself, are entitled to special dispensation to make up for past transgressions against others who may fall into our political identity. There is no such thing as a group right, at least not outside the Reservation that is.

I only mentioned the neighborhoods I did to make the point that most neighborhoods that AA currently make up a majority were not establish by AA specifically for AA and even if they were I still wouldn't believe that any group has a right to occupy any particular area forever.

I do think no property should have its tax appraisal valuation increased simply because it is within some area considered to be gentrifying, without any improvements to that property, which is really what most of those people are worried about, and I do understand that and empathize with them at least to that extent.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:19 AM
 
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... which ain't happening. It was outsiders, immigrants and outside money, who one-upped the ridiculous "don't like it here? Take I-45 out" nonsense. A neighborhood, to revitalize, needs outsiders. Any real estate agent can tell you that.

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At least until the money and investment comes organically from within so as not to change the community, I'm gathering.
The slave-built Houston of 1836 doesn't exist anymore. I'm all happy to recognize injustice of the slaves with plaques, but that applies only to the innermost core of Houston. You could argue that the freeways of the mid-20th century from Eisenhower on were built in the dying days of Jim Crow, but for modern Houstonians outside of the inner core, that's about it.

The old wards are increasingly a smaller and smaller part of the Houston area.

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Again, in case you missed it.

Infrastructure isn't just houses btw. It was a black owned firm that revitalized Emancipation park in 2017.

It's like you're trying to ignore the fact the this city was originally built by slave labor and it's the fact that the economy was pretty much completely dependent on slave labor inside the city and of the surrounding areas. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.
AFAIK that's classic Louis Farrakhan ideology.

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Whoa, did I accidentally click a link to some white power skinhead board?
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:05 AM
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Location: ✶✶Avondale/Logan Square, Chicago✶✶
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AFAIK that's classic Louis Farrakhan ideology.
Also

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"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
Those guys are not me. **** white supremacists, btw. I'm just pointing out the similarity.


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In many cases older gen hispanics in the city joined racist whites in their protest of desegregation as they didn't want to be considered equal with blacks, but the newer and prospective immigrants welcomed the change(and of course it was the civil rights movement that led to the 1965 immigration reform policy).
We had people fighting for integration while others resisted fearing their property values would go down, and then some 50 years later we have people on the internet fighting essentially for segregation (i.e. "don't move here, this is our neighborhood, not yours") fearing their property values will go up.

To sum this thread up in a paragraph.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:36 AM
 
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Crime in the inner city has been on a natural decline since the mid 90s. Nothing to do with gentrification. Gentrification does nothing but cause homelessness(there are plenty of credible peer review research to confirm this) and erases heritage.

And again you show your ignorance to the history of this city. The vast majority of black neighborhoods in the city were ALWAYS historically black.

3rd, 4th, 5th, wards, trinity & kashmere gardens, Studewood/IH, Acres Homes, Sunnyside, Clinton Park, Pleasantville, Bordersville etc(I could go on) were all established and built from the ground up by freed African-American slave and their children and grandchildren on empty lots and acreages. Hence the signature AA architectural style of the shotgun homes that line the streets in those places.

Again the entire city was a quarter enslaved(half for the county and others in the surround area), and were the ones tasked with the harsh work of dredging and clearing the land of the original townsite, which many of those enslaved individual literally died from. So, what is actually more likely is that the so called "historical white neighborhood" is a fraud and the foundation for them was actually laid by African-American slaves, unlike the historic AA neighborhood which were actually established, settled, and built by AAs themselves on their own for the express purpose of escaping white hegemony, oppression, and violence.

Not to mention the Houston Tap, the city's first railroad, which led to the first economic boom here was built by slave labor or the original Buffalo Bayou ship channel used primarily for importing and exporting cotton was ran by slave labor. The entire city simply wouldn't exist without the labor of enslaved African-Americans. Damn, a measly neighborhood.

You'd do yourself a favor by looking up "Freedmens towns" and "all black towns". There are/were more of these in Texas than any other state. And look at how many of them are majority white today. And you'll see who the real invaders and colonizers are.

Furthermore the few black neighborhoods that were once majority white don't have anywhere near as much heritage as the aforementioned, and became majority black through white people's own racism, and racist policies like discriminatory lending and redlining. And again a lot of these places have slave past anyway like South Park and Missouri City(look up the Water's plantation now known as Sienna Plantation).
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:38 AM
 
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Maybe one day we'll all just be thankful that the Indians didn't spear and scalp everyone who showed up on their land who didn't look like them, because none of this discussion would be happening if they did.
Well, your people gentrified them too but through genocide and terrorism. Y’all don’t wanna talk about that, though.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:41 AM
 
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The white privilege in this thread is making me cringe.
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