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View Poll Results: Should the Houston metro lockdown/shelter in place?
Yes 41 57.75%
No 30 42.25%
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Old 04-07-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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The Philippines' death rate of 8.4 percent was higher than Italy at 7.9 percent and the United States at 1.6 percent when there quarantine began in mid March. The Philippines also have very harsh punishment for violating curfew.

Once again, look at the chart. Cases are growing fast.
https://covid19info.live/philippines/

Does warm humid weather does appear to slow the spread? Maybe a bit, but not enough to contain the virus.
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Old 04-07-2020, 05:53 PM
 
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The Philippines' death rate of 8.4 percent was higher than Italy at 7.9 percent and the United States at 1.6 percent when there quarantine began in mid March. The Philippines also have very harsh punishment for violating curfew.

Once again, look at the chart. Cases are growing fast.
https://covid19info.live/philippines/

Does warm humid weather does appear to slow the spread? Maybe a bit, but not enough to contain the virus.
Relatively, no they aren’t growing fast considering the virus has been there since before Italy or the US. The virus wasn’t waiting for the right moment to expand it just never got the foothold it got elsewhere. Comparing the Philippines with Italy, Spain, or the US is a dangerous false equivalence.

Death rate is irrelevant to this conversation because we’re talking about spread which is different from how many people die from it.

There is a difference between the following two statements, but the media and people as a whole act as though there the same:

“Heat and humidity significantly slow the spread of the virus”

“Heat and humidity kill the virus”

The first statement is objectively true based on studies done by MIT, scientists in China, the WHO, the Coronavirus task force, and the university of Maryland among others. That’s why all the experts are now talking about the seasonality of the virus. It’s the weather that makes it season.

The 2nd statement has no truth to it at all. There’s a difference between slowing spread and killing the virus. Heat and humidity do not kill the virus, they slow the spread. Our brain dead President and his dittoheads are the only ones that ever claimed this.

I am NOT arguing against the measures we have in place. We need them to force the virus to a halt as quickly as possible. But what good does denying data about spread and heat do? You can still be for the restrictions we have and also acknowledge the obvious role heat and humidity play. I am.
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Old 04-07-2020, 11:12 PM
 
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Relatively, no they aren’t growing fast considering the virus has been there since before Italy or the US.
Some isolated coronavirus cases appeared in the US when it was mainly a thing in China, but it took awhile for the real wave to come.
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Old 04-07-2020, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Some isolated coronavirus cases appeared in the US when it was mainly a thing in China, but it took awhile for the real wave to come.
It did take about three weeks from the time of first reported case to daily exponential growth in the US. However, its been about two months in the Philippines and they aren't seeing anywhere near that growth rate despite the much higher population density.
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Old 04-08-2020, 01:29 AM
 
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I was not in favor of a shelter in place edict. For my family there is no change because we were already self-isolating. My job also enables me to WFH. If it keeps people with no common sense from gathering in large crowds then I guess it’s a good thing.
Sadly not everyone is as self-disciplined as you and your family :-(

If we had massive testing a la South Korea it would be a lot easier.
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Old 04-08-2020, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Sadly not everyone is as self-disciplined as you and your family :-(

If we had massive testing a la South Korea it would be a lot easier.
I haven't spent a lot of time trying to understand the causes of the issue, but the key take-away for me from this crisis is the utter lack of preparation for mass testing of Coronavirus. Especially, when as you point out, other countries such as South Korea were able to test large numbers of people. This is the one failure I put on government leadership.

I'm not into the "blame game" because frankly this event is unprecedented. Even though we saw what was happening in China I don't think anyone really believed it was going to spread to the United States the way it did. People can blame Trump all day (which I think is political), but I can tell you that Corporate America was NOT prepared for what has happened - even global companies. Companies really did not start unifying against the Coronavirus until around mid-March, when it began to spread in the U.S. There was a local response when it was in China, and then in Italy...but when it hit the U.S. then the response became a global response.
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Old 04-08-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Some isolated coronavirus cases appeared in the US when it was mainly a thing in China, but it took awhile for the real wave to come.
They were testing only people who had been in China. It looks like community spread was already on-going but they were dismissed as general respiratory viruses. This happened in Europe as well. Apparently there was a high incidence of Viral pneumonia going back to December.
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Old 04-08-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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I haven't spent a lot of time trying to understand the causes of the issue, but the key take-away for me from this crisis is the utter lack of preparation for mass testing of Coronavirus. Especially, when as you point out, other countries such as South Korea were able to test large numbers of people. This is the one failure I put on government leadership.

I'm not into the "blame game" because frankly this event is unprecedented. Even though we saw what was happening in China I don't think anyone really believed it was going to spread to the United States the way it did. People can blame Trump all day (which I think is political), but I can tell you that Corporate America was NOT prepared for what has happened - even global companies. Companies really did not start unifying against the Coronavirus until around mid-March, when it began to spread in the U.S. There was a local response when it was in China, and then in Italy...but when it hit the U.S. then the response became a global response.
I used to lead ERM (enterprise risk management) for a publicly traded company and unfortunately a pandemic risk was far from being considered a top 10 risk.
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Old 04-14-2020, 12:24 AM
 
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Texas, and in particular both Houston and Austin, are looking like a million bucks now for stopping the rodeo and SXSW. Remember how that seemed like overreacting.
Had they gone on, we'd be looking at an entirely different boardstate right now. Not just in the cities but in all the little country towns where all the people go back to from those events.

Don't ********** up. Don't go out if you don't have to. Don't interact with people you don't have to.
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Old 04-21-2020, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Briargrove
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visits are safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous, but let’s criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
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