Are we about to become the #1 hotspot in the U.S.? (China: live, restaurant)

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Abbott’s quote of the day:

“ "The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses. This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business," Abbott said in a release. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/healt...day/index.html

Texas has gotten into the state it’s in by implementing the current phase. Stoppping here is going to let it continue at the pace it’s following. He lacks the political courage to implement practices that will serve to actually reduce the rate of spread. It’s a total abdication of good governance to have ignored the the threat of covid by giving lip service to precautions.

Here’s a telling quote from late April:

“I like that first sampling entity that you talked about – they're the same ones who said that Texas was going to max out in late April or early May with like, 250 or 500 deaths per day, something like that. And they had all these outrageous numbers in there, and they had to consistently go back and recorrect their models. Bottom line: the models have been proven ineffective and way wrong all along. And so, we've got to be careful about watching those models.” https://www.kvue.com/article/news/he...4-fd0bc89ca813

He should be impeached for incompetence.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by bu2

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/ho...e-for-covid-19

And you know that how? Because CNN told you? Or is that just what you want to believe? Or do you actually have a legitimate source?


"...Roughly two weeks ago, Shamone Turner and her friends, joined a large demonstration for George Floyd. An estimated 60,000 people were in attendance, marching from Discovery Green to Houston’s City Hall.

“I actually got sick the day after the march,” said Turner. “I could not move out of the bed. I was in the bed just sighing.”

According to Turner, several of her friends with her at the march also tested positive for the Coronavirus. Turner says they were all wearing masks...."


The idea that you can get in a mass group and sweat all over each other and not get the virus because 80% of the people are wearing masks is totally moronic. Masks are in many ways a danger because they give a false sense of security.

But a group of mostly young people thought otherwise. Other young people are going to bars, going to restaurants and generally ignoring distancing. They're tired of being couped up when they have very low personal risk. The TV and politicians saying mass protests were not a risk broke any credibility the authorities have. It was already low because they loudly made pronouncements which proved to be incorrect as they got more information or were ridiculously contradictory.

We've got to protect the high risk people and individually make good decisions. We can't make decisions for everyone.

Ok, then explain why spikes have not taken place nationwide.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Ok, then explain why spikes have not taken place nationwide.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Some of the states that were doing better are now doing less better.
And there is a lot more testing now than early on when things were really bad in the northeast. The US has done over 29 million tests. On June 9, it was just over 20 million.

Over the last 15 days, Texas has increased deaths per million by less than 16. Rhode Island leads with 132. New York has added 50. They are now at 1,611. Texas is at 78. Texas is the only populous state so low. Seems like Abbot has either done a phenomenal job or been phenomenally lucky.

And when you have 6 times the number of cases per population (Rhode Island) or 8 times (New York), you should be at the stage where it is not increasing as quickly.

[bu2]

Note that deaths in Texas are still below typical flue deaths per season. This data is from RealClearPolitics June 24. It is sorted from highest to lowest deaths per million.

State Deaths Deaths / New Tests Estimated Confirmed Confirmed Case Confirmed Cases / Seasonal*Flu Deaths1
1M pop Deaths Cases Cases Fatality Rate 1M pop (CDC 10-Year Avg)


1 New York 31,346 1,611.30 32 3,551,952 - 413,345 7.58% 21,247.80 3,408
2 New Jersey 13,129 1,478.10 48 1,299,645 - 173,132 7.58% 19,492.00 944
3 Connecticut 4,287 1,202.40 10 400,391 - 45,913 9.34% 12,877.80 485
4 Massachusetts 7,938 1,142.20 48 856,068 - 107,611 7.38% 15,484.70 1,050
5 Rhode Island 912 860.9 6 224,993 - 16,606 5.49% 15,675.50 150
6 District of Columbia 541 766.6 4 83,302 - 10,128 5.34% 14,350.70 60
7 Louisiana 3,160 679.7 18 648,505 - 52,575 6.01% 11,309.40 620
8 Michigan 6,114 612.2 5 1,089,297 - 68,555 8.92% 6,864.50 1,310
9 Illinois 6,770 534.3 63 1,428,841 - 138,540 4.89% 10,932.90 1,771
10 Delaware 505 518.6 1 98,201 - 10,889 4.64% 11,182.40 110
11 Pennsylvania 6,584 514.3 57 706,102 - 87,776 7.50% 6,856.40 1,986
12 Maryland 3,108 514.1 16 583,091 - 65,337 4.76% 10,807.20 754
13 Indiana 2,578 382.9 9 431,883 - 43,140 5.98% 6,408.00 827
14 Mississippi 1,011 339.7 22 263,811 - 23,424 4.32% 7,870.60 525
15 Colorado 1,665 289.1 - 288,079 - 30,893 5.39% 5,364.50 470
16 Georgia 2,698 254.1 10 874,123 - 69,381 3.89% 6,534.60 1,094
17 Minnesota 1,432 253.9 7 529,643 - 33,763 4.24% 5,986.70 511
18 New Hampshire 343 252.3 - 127,955 - 5,571 6.16% 4,097.20 166
19 Ohio 2,761 236.2 21 680,687 - 46,884 5.89% 4,010.90 1,689
20 New Mexico 476 227 - 302,083 - 10,838 4.39% 5,168.80 260
21 Iowa 692 219.3 3 270,071 - 26,713 2.59% 8,466.70 487
22 Arizona 1,463 201 79 599,806 - 59,974 2.44% 8,239.60 655
23 Virginia 1,661 194.6 16 636,096 - 59,514 2.79% 6,972.50 986
24 Alabama 891 181.7 27 358,319 - 32,064 2.78% 6,539.40 763
25 Washington 1,285 168.7 - 487,059 - 30,547 4.21% 4,011.50 607
26 Missouri 1,001 163.1 6 365,292 - 19,588 5.11% 3,191.60 964
27 Nevada 494 160.4 2 290,098 - 14,362 3.44% 4,662.80 405
28 Florida 3,285 152.9 45 1,669,440 - 109,014 3.01% 5,075.70 1,907
29 California 5,684 143.9 51 3,592,899 - 193,558 2.94% 4,898.70 4,701
30 South Carolina 683 132.7 10 362,219 - 27,897 2.45% 5,418.20 575
31 Nebraska 256 132.3 - 161,494 - 18,092 1.41% 9,352.70 256
32 Wisconsin 757 130 7 503,496 - 25,763 2.94% 4,424.80 762
33 North Carolina 1,318 125.7 24 791,285 - 56,955 2.31% 5,430.40 1,430
34 Kentucky 538 120.4 1 368,152 - 14,363 3.75% 3,214.90 707
35 North Dakota 78 102.4 - 97,553 - 3,362 2.32% 4,411.70 107
36 South Dakota 84 95 1 75,077 - 6,419 1.31% 7,255.90 143
37 Oklahoma 372 94 1 296,988 - 11,510 3.23% 2,908.80 555
38 Kansas 262 89.9 - 155,013 - 13,045 2.01% 4,477.70 466
39 Vermont 56 89.7 - 59,860 - 1,184 4.73% 1,897.50 57
40 Tennessee 556 81.4 14 705,419 - 37,235 1.49% 5,449.20 1,144
41 Texas 2,286 78.8 35 1,836,037 - 129,661 1.76% 4,471.70 2,413
42 Arkansas 237 78.5 - 264,492 - 16,678 1.42% 5,526.50 528
43 Maine 103 76.6 1 85,762 - 3,017 3.41% 2,244.40 207
44 West Virginia 92 51.5 - 156,960 - 2,629 3.50% 1,471.10 343
45 Utah 163 50.8 - 304,738 - 18,784 0.87% 5,859.10 277
46 Idaho 89 49.7 - 77,376 - 4,402 2.02% 2,456.40 170
47 Puerto Rico 149 46.7 - 13,022 - 6,820 2.18% 2,135.50 730
48 Oregon 195 46.2 3 213,749 - 7,444 2.62% 1,764.90 370
49 Wyoming 20 34.6 - 39,160 - 1,282 1.56% 2,215.10 85
50 Montana 21 19.6 - 75,066 - 766 2.74% 716.7 132
51 Alaska 12 16.4 - 96,096 - 792 1.52% 1,082.60 43
52 Hawaii 17 12 - 81,648 - 819 2.08% 578.4 301

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by bu2

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/ho...e-for-covid-19

And you know that how? Because CNN told you? Or is that just what you want to believe? Or do you actually have a legitimate source?


"...Roughly two weeks ago, Shamone Turner and her friends, joined a large demonstration for George Floyd. An estimated 60,000 people were in attendance, marching from Discovery Green to Houston’s City Hall.

“I actually got sick the day after the march,” said Turner. “I could not move out of the bed. I was in the bed just sighing.”

According to Turner, several of her friends with her at the march also tested positive for the Coronavirus. Turner says they were all wearing masks...."


The idea that you can get in a mass group and sweat all over each other and not get the virus because 80% of the people are wearing masks is totally moronic. Masks are in many ways a danger because they give a false sense of security.

But a group of mostly young people thought otherwise. Other young people are going to bars, going to restaurants and generally ignoring distancing. They're tired of being couped up when they have very low personal risk. The TV and politicians saying mass protests were not a risk broke any credibility the authorities have. It was already low because they loudly made pronouncements which proved to be incorrect as they got more information or were ridiculously contradictory.

We've got to protect the high risk people and individually make good decisions. We can't make decisions for everyone.

If she got sick the day after the march, she wasn't exposed at the march.

Masks don't give a false sense of security, they help prevent spread by reducing the number of virus laden particles that get expelled via sneeze or cough, and the virus particles that do make it through the mask fall to the ground much closer to the person than they would otherwise.

The virus is not spread by sweat.

The marches were not as risky as sitting around at a bar in a close group of people.

[move4ward]

Originally Posted by Aliana926

97 percent of ICU beds at Texas Medical Center now occupied as COVID-19 cases reach record highs


https://www.khou.com/article/news/he...f-87f9c7956680

A patient was airlifted to Galveston for ICU beds back on June 9th. I wonder how many patients have been airlifted to Galveston for ICU beds, since then. Do stroke, coma, and other patients get airlifted to other counties in the current situation?

COVID-19 devastates Rosenberg family: 'I have lost my mother, my father and my brother'
https://www.khou.com/article/news/he...4-c915671ed4c9

The father got sick first, but within days of each other, they were all hospitalized at OakBend Medical Center in Richmond.

Rodriguez Jr. said he’d tried to get all three of them into larger Houston hospitals where more aggressive treatments, like plasma treatments, were being conducted but was unsuccessful.

“We tried to go everywhere in Houston but there were no beds available," he said.

Rudy Rodriguez died June 8. His mother died June 9. That same day, his father was airlifted to UTMB in Galveston when a bed became available, but 10 days later, on June 19, he died, too.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by houston-nomad

You just argued against yourself. Neither man is saying shut everything down. They're advising rolling back. For example, if bars and gyms are the problem, roll that back. Go back to 25% at restaurants.

Is nobody capable of nuanced thinking anymore????

Try again. His EXACT argument is to shut everything down:

“If it were up to me, we would do exactly what we did towards the end of March which is implement a full lockdown and social distancing. That’s the only way that I see that we’re going to start to bring those numbers down.” - Dr. Peter Hoetz

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06...g-abbott-open/

[bu2]

Originally Posted by WRM20

If she got sick the day after the march, she wasn't exposed at the march.

Masks don't give a false sense of security, they help prevent spread by reducing the number of virus laden particles that get expelled via sneeze or cough, and the virus particles that do make it through the mask fall to the ground much closer to the person than they would otherwise.

The virus is not spread by sweat.

The marches were not as risky as sitting around at a bar in a close group of people.

Marching close together in groups of thousands, sharing bodily fluids in not as risky as being in a bar. Right.
Its really very simple math. The more people you are in contact with, the greater the liklihood you get it or spread it to others.

Look at that woman who got sick. She was amazed they all got sick when wearing masks. And people don't know how to wear masks or don't have good ones. Have you seen the people putting their hands all over their face while pulling down and pulling up their masks? If it takes an N95 to prevent risk to you, do you really think a scarf holds everything in and prevents risk to others? And if every protestor who had a mask had an N95, what about the 20% or so who didn't have a mask?

[mkwensky]

Originally Posted by bu2

Lies, damned lies and statistics.
Some of the states that were doing better are now doing less better.
And there is a lot more testing now than early on when things were really bad in the northeast. The US has done over 29 million tests. On June 9, it was just over 20 million.

Over the last 15 days, Texas has increased deaths per million by less than 16. Rhode Island leads with 132. New York has added 50. They are now at 1,611. Texas is at 78. Texas is the only populous state so low. Seems like Abbot has either done a phenomenal job or been phenomenally lucky.

And when you have 6 times the number of cases per population (Rhode Island) or 8 times (New York), you should be at the stage where it is not increasing as quickly.

We were talking about protests but suddenly you fall back on the same old 'there are more cases because there are more tests' or 'forget about surging case numbers fewer people are dying' line. At least we now know where you get your news.

[westsidewolf1989]

Some people also think masks are 100% effective. While they absolutely help, being a large group of people who are theoretically all masked does not cast some protective bubble over the whole group. Being in a large group of people with masks is not equal to social distancing and avoiding crowds.

I doubt a full lockdown would happen. If it did, I think it could only last two weeks. We just need to scale back to 25% open again.