GLO denies all flood aid funding to Harris County (Houston: credit, neighborhood)

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by WRM20

The people who were flooded by the dam releases don't deserve squat. They are a bunch of whiny, entitled, rich people who would have preferred that the entire City, especially the poor, get flooded.

If you think Bill King or stupid clown Tony Buzbee would have done better, you need to get your meds checked.

Turner had nothing to do with the dam releases, that was the Corps of Engineers, who don't talk to anyone.

I think the city does owe them something.

Yes, the city did it for the greater good. But because those people had to sacrifice, yes the city should help them.

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by WRM20

The people who were flooded by the dam releases don't deserve squat. They are a bunch of whiny, entitled, rich people who would have preferred that the entire City, especially the poor, get flooded.

If you think Bill King or stupid clown Tony Buzbee would have done better, you need to get your meds checked.

Turner had nothing to do with the dam releases, that was the Corps of Engineers, who don't talk to anyone.

I know plenty of people who were impacted by the dam release and their not rich, whiny or entitled. Also many voted for Turner as well. They just felt abandon by the city.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

I am glad Houston did not receive any, not one penny.

Too many people here with short memories... anyone remember the 'Rain Tax', instituted by Lee Brown? A "Fee", but is actually a tax. It was meant for flooding mitigation. The City used it as a credit card to do other things, and pay off debt. There were some small projects done, most delayed, but none of those projects solved the flooding problems where they were implemented. Richmond Ave still floods, Montrose streets still flood, we still have third world streets in many parts of Midtown/Montrose. And don't tell tell me we need a TIRZ for that. These issues belong to the city.

The City was too happy to divert the money to other things, and forgot about what it was supposed to be used for. I suspect that was one of the reasons they got nothing, else they would spend it where it is not needed as they have shown to do in the past.

The City of Houston does not deserve/should not get another penny of our hard earned money.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

I am glad Houston did not receive any, not one penny.

Too many people here with short memories... anyone remember the 'Rain Tax', instituted by Lee Brown? A "Fee", but is actually a tax. It was meant for flooding mitigation. The City used it as a credit card to do other things, and pay off debt. There were some small projects done, most delayed, but none of those projects solved the flooding problems where they were implemented. Richmond Ave still floods, Montrose streets still flood, we still have third world streets in many parts of Midtown/Montrose. And don't tell tell me we need a TIRZ for that. These issues belong to the city.

The City was too happy to divert the money to other things, and forgot about what it was supposed to be used for. I suspect that was one of the reasons they got nothing, else they would spend it where it is not needed as they have shown to do in the past.

The City of Houston does not deserve/should not get another penny of our hard earned money.

You do realize this is Federal funding so we're paying for the tab either way? The problem is we're not getting anything back. This has nothing to do with other issues in the city or whatever projects should have been done 20 years ago, this is about improving our flood infrastructure now.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

You do realize this is Federal funding so we're paying for the tab either way? The problem is we're not getting anything back. This has nothing to do with other issues in the city or whatever projects should have been done 20 years ago, this is about improving our flood infrastructure now.

That is not a compelling case you bring, Federal, or not... as I recall, the "Rain Fee" was also needed "now" back then. I'm concerned about what happened afterwards. It is like an addict with a bad track record who just got out of jail and is asking for money... because 'I won't abuse with it, I promise'. Who here amongst us would give money to someone who does not do the right thing after they've proven to not do the right thing time and time again? There should be consequences for nonconformance.

It is not surprising, the same characters who want free this, free that, and think everything is a right, but make someone else pay for it, would want to be rewarded for their mishandling of funds, casting off all responsibility and accountability. You know who they are.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

I am glad Houston did not receive any, not one penny.

Too many people here with short memories... anyone remember the 'Rain Tax', instituted by Lee Brown? A "Fee", but is actually a tax. It was meant for flooding mitigation. The City used it as a credit card to do other things, and pay off debt. There were some small projects done, most delayed, but none of those projects solved the flooding problems where they were implemented. Richmond Ave still floods, Montrose streets still flood, we still have third world streets in many parts of Midtown/Montrose. And don't tell tell me we need a TIRZ for that. These issues belong to the city.

The City was too happy to divert the money to other things, and forgot about what it was supposed to be used for. I suspect that was one of the reasons they got nothing, else they would spend it where it is not needed as they have shown to do in the past.

The City of Houston does not deserve/should not get another penny of our hard earned money.

The rain fee money is actually being spent on drainage projects. It's paid for the storm sewer improvements under Shepherd from Westheimer to Allen Parkway, and other similar projects. Replacing the storm sewers requires redoing the streets, takes quite a bit of time, and is expensive.

Why do you think Montrose needs street work before other, far worse parts of town that have been neglected for decades? Midtown TIRZ could spend money, but doesn't want to.

Here's an interactive map of projects https://buildhoustonforward.org/src/project.html

[PurplePunch2017]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

I am glad Houston did not receive any, not one penny.

Too many people here with short memories... anyone remember the 'Rain Tax', instituted by Lee Brown? A "Fee", but is actually a tax. It was meant for flooding mitigation. The City used it as a credit card to do other things, and pay off debt. There were some small projects done, most delayed, but none of those projects solved the flooding problems where they were implemented. Richmond Ave still floods, Montrose streets still flood, we still have third world streets in many parts of Midtown/Montrose. And don't tell tell me we need a TIRZ for that. These issues belong to the city.

The City was too happy to divert the money to other things, and forgot about what it was supposed to be used for. I suspect that was one of the reasons they got nothing, else they would spend it where it is not needed as they have shown to do in the past.

The City of Houston does not deserve/should not get another penny of our hard earned money.

Cutting off one's nose to spite their face will only make Houston a bigger money pit.

The Houston/Sun Belt strategy of leapfrogging development and letting older neighborhoods to decay and fall behind ends up being very costly.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

That is not a compelling case you bring, Federal, or not... as I recall, the "Rain Fee" was also needed "now" back then. I'm concerned about what happened afterwards. It is like an addict with a bad track record who just got out of jail and is asking for money... because 'I won't abuse with it, I promise'. Who here amongst us would give money to someone who does not do the right thing after they've proven to not do the right thing time and time again? There should be consequences for nonconformance.

It is not surprising, the same characters who want free this, free that, and think everything is a right, but make someone else pay for it, would want to be rewarded for their mishandling of funds, casting off all responsibility and accountability. You know who they are.

This reeks of "I want the city to suffer because I dont like the politics" and is smug as hell.

I genuinely hope you dont live in the city of Houston.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

This reeks of "I want the city to suffer because I dont like the politics" and is smug as hell.

I genuinely hope you dont live in the city of Houston.

It is not smugness, it is called responsibility, and expecting it from everyone, especially elected officials. I don' like to pay for other's people's mistakes, or utopian ideas, so try not to confuse that with wanting the city, or anyone to suffer. I live in Montrose, BTW.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp

It is not smugness, it is called responsibility, and expecting it from everyone, especially elected officials. I don' like to pay for other's people's mistakes, or utopian ideas, so try not to confuse that with wanting the city, or anyone to suffer. I live in Montrose, BTW.

We need those funds to complete projects that, in many cases, are already underway. I dont know if you go to Meyerland, but I live there and I can already see a huge difference since Harvey. They are widening Braes Bayou and have made modifications to roads. The proof is that streets that always flood never do anymore no matter how hard it rains and the Braes is far less full than it would normally get after a heavy rain.

Things ARE getting done. I credit Lina Hidalgo with a lot of it. She's been absolutely great on this issue.