Areas in Houston that are similar to Southern Orange County, California (Katy: 2014, apartment)

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

It's 2022, just google it. Look for crime maps. There are several out there which show what I'm talking about like this one.

Houston:https://crimegrade.org/property-crime-houston-tx-metro/
DFW: https://crimegrade.org/property-crime-dallas-tx-metro/

Those crimegrade.org maps are total BS. It shows the Barker Reservoir as having a high crime rate per 1000 residents. No one lives there. There's nothing on their methodology, and the site appears to be a shill site for security companies.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by WRM20

Those crimegrade.org maps are total BS. It shows the Barker Reservoir as having a high crime rate per 1000 residents. No one lives there. There's nothing on their methodology, and the site appears to be a shill site for security companies.

People definitely live in those apartments in Park 10 thats included in that orange shade. But if you have a better map please post it

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by WRM20

Those crimegrade.org maps are total BS. It shows the Barker Reservoir as having a high crime rate per 1000 residents. No one lives there. There's nothing on their methodology, and the site appears to be a shill site for security companies.

Nah, it's reality. They get recorded crime data. Even the FBI statistics shows that Chicago a place notorious for crime is safer than Houston (and DFW) as well especially in it's suburbs. The main issue is the hyper-concentration in the West and South sides of the city. The only metro areas as dangerous as Houston metro wide and with suburbs as dangerous are Miami and Atlanta all the other major metros tend to have lower suburban metro-wide crime rates.

I posted these stats a few years back, that Houston has a suburban crime problem and this is with Houston having massive city-limits. If the city limits were just the inner loop, Houston would have the most dangerous suburbs in the nation. No zoning directly contributes to that.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

Nah, it's reality. They get recorded crime data. Even the FBI statistics shows that Chicago a place notorious for crime is safer than Houston (and DFW) as well especially in it's suburbs. The main issue is the hyper-concentration in the West and South sides of the city. The only metro areas as dangerous as Houston metro wide and with suburbs as dangerous are Miami and Atlanta all the other major metros tend to have lower suburban metro-wide crime rates.

I posted these stats a few years back, that Houston has a suburban crime problem and this is with Houston having massive city-limits. If the city limits were just the inner loop, Houston would have the most dangerous suburbs in the nation. No zoning directly contributes to that.

How does no zoning contribute to crime?

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by usc619

BS, Houston's no zoning is a joke. You're always using the "Poor Card" when trying to justify this garbage.

Truly "incompatible" uses, like industries using toxic chemicals vs. just about any other use, can be subject to other forms of regulation than land use zoning.

So what do you want out of zoning? What benefit is there for the government to say, "this shall go here, that shall go there, we can't let apartments happen near single family, we can't let taller buildings near single family," etc. etc.? Or that "We can't let businesses open in such-and-such an area - there's people in single family homes." Or, "We can't let these single family homes become a pack of townhomes." Or, "The government wants more commercial, so we're not going to let developers build homes there." You know what? There ISN'T a benefit. Because there's no logical argument for the government to be deciding any of those things. It is a MASSIVE intrusion by government into the private market that isn't justified.

However, for politicians, there is a benefit, because they get to pander to single family homeowners who have $ and vote, and furthermore, they get to be bought off by developers who want zoning changes.

And before any of you state that the government SHOULD be pandering to single family homeowners over all other property owners, taxpayers, and citizens (because in my experience there's lots of folks, especially single family homeowners who think exactly that) - no, you're totally wrong. That mentality is why zoning is used, over and over and over, to keep out uses from communities that cater to the "wrong people." Why communities enact unjustifiable minimum lot size requirements in their zoning, because they claim it's "wrong" to have small lot homes or apartments sharing the same community as larger lot homes, especially if the kids from small lot homes or apartments would go to the same schools as the kids from the larger lot homes. Again, this happens over and over and over again, especially in suburbs.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by WRM20

How does no zoning contribute to crime?

Exactly, people in this forum keep claiming that, but no one has said why they think that.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

People definitely live in those apartments in Park 10 thats included in that orange shade. But if you have a better map please post it

I honestly don't see what you're seeing in these maps, no matter what their accuracy is. Houston's suburbs have lots of green areas, as green as what you see in DFW. Meanwhile, look at Plano, Frisco, etc. Hardly uninterrupted green expanses.

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

It's 2022, just google it. Look for crime maps. There are several out there which show what I'm talking about like this one.

Houston:https://crimegrade.org/property-crime-houston-tx-metro/
DFW: https://crimegrade.org/property-crime-dallas-tx-metro/

DFW has a C and Houston has a D. A crime happens every 2 minutes in DFW while a crime happens every 1 minute in Houston. I wouldn't write home about either metro to be honest.

I mean judging from the map I'm safer in Katy than I would be in one of the most sought after burbs such as Plano or Frisco. I would have expected a higher grade than that.

DFW is no Boston and if I'm judging Houston by this map it doesn't look that much different than other metros people are speaking highly about. If you live in the areas closer to 99( Cypress/Katy/ Richmond/ Sugarland/ Kingwood/ The Woodlands/ even Pearland you seem to experience little to no crime.

I'm not suggesting Houston doesn't have problem but based off the maps it doesn't look that uniquely different than most metros listed on that site. Hell, LA and Miami look worse than Houston metro.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

DFW has a C and Houston has a D. A crime happens every 2 minutes in DFW while a crime happens every 1 minute in Houston. I wouldn't write home about either metro to be honest.

I mean judging from the map I'm safer in Katy than I would be in one of the most sought after burbs such as Plano or Frisco. I would have expected a higher grade than that.

DFW is no Boston and if I'm judging Houston by this map it doesn't look that much different than other metros people are speaking highly about. If you live in the areas closer to 99( Cypress/Katy/ Richmond/ Sugarland/ Kingwood/ The Woodlands/ even Pearland you seem to experience little to no crime.

I'm not suggesting Houston doesn't have problem but based off the maps it doesn't look that uniquely different than most metros listed on that site. Hell, LA and Miami look worse than Houston metro.

I'm not sure how they determined their grades. I disagree that LA look worse, especially for violent crime. It's more concentrated to the LA Basin and certain IE hot spots. The crime data backs this up. Miami though, along with Atlanta, are most like Houston when it comes to metro wide crime.

This crimegrade site isn't the best, but does paint a picture that is backed up by overall crime data. And to NigerianNightmare's point, the police presence in DFW feels thicker going between all the different municipalities. They pretty much all have city departments and they show it.

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

I'm not sure how they determined their grades. I disagree that LA look worse, especially for violent crime. It's more concentrated to the LA Basin and certain IE hot spots. The crime data backs this up. Miami though, along with Atlanta, are most like Houston when it comes to metro wide crime.

This crimegrade site isn't the best, but does paint a picture that is backed up by overall crime data. And to NigerianNightmare's point, the police presence in DFW feels thicker going between all the different municipalities. They pretty much all have city departments and they show it.

I mean both are graded D with LA being rated a D-. Seems like splitting hairs at that point.