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Old 10-25-2008, 07:01 AM
 
Location: houston
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Houston murder rate reaches #2 in nation


HOUSTON -- Houston's murder rate was No. 2 in the nation in 2006, outranked only by Philadelphia, KPRC Local 2 reported Tuesday.

According to statistics compiled by the FBI, Houston's homicide rate climbed 12 percent in 2006 with a total of 334 deaths
There was a spike up due to the influx of katrina evacuees. i'm not sure where you're getting your info from. But according to city-data info Philly had a murder rate of 27.3 per 100,000 and houston is 16.2 per 100,000 in 2007. That's a significant difference. Let's just be honest.

 
Old 10-25-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I like how Houston has the look & feel of a big city, yet it still some how manages to retain that small town friendliness about it.
Houston's atmosphere is like the midwest. Even Chicago has that friendliness about it. But like Chicago, Houston's friendliness is not about small town. It's just friendliness.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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There was a spike up due to the influx of katrina evacuees. i'm not sure where you're getting your info from. But according to city-data info Philly had a murder rate of 27.3 per 100,000 and houston is 16.2 per 100,000 in 2007. That's a significant difference. Let's just be honest.
Heres the full article.
Houston Murder Rate Reaches No. 2 In Nation - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/news/13448543/detail.html - broken link)

Statistics fluxuate, if you took a sample over the past 15 years I'll bet you Houston + Philly are changing spots frequently in regards to violent crime. Murder is on the uptick IN Philly the past couple years.Better aim,better ammo who knows but to try and camouflage Houstons violence problems by hiding behind Philadlephias ills is not the right thing to do.

In the past couple years As far as the big big cities go Houston is usually right on the heels of Philaldepia . Before that Chicago played the role of murder king, before that NYC which had nearly 6000 people murdered. To sit here and try to single Philadelphia out is ridiculous, all big cities have immense issues involving violent crime.

As I stated 90% of murder victims in Philadlephia in 2006 had a criminal record. In the past 2 weeks 6 people have been murdered on the same drug corner in North Philaldephia. Its an inner city problem,Philadlephia worst than some right now, there is no wide spread panic though. And the Philadlephia metropolitan region is safer than Houstons.

Most Dangerous 25:Metropolitan crime statistics

http://www.statestats.com/cit07pop.htm





1. Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI M.D.
2. Memphis, TN-MS-AR
3. Pine Bluff, AR
4.Las Vegas-Paradise, NV
5.Florence, SC
6.Myrtle Beach, SC
7.Flint, MI
8.Stockton, CA
9.Jackson, TN
10.Shreveport-Bossier City, LA
11.Miami-Dade County, FL M.D.
12.Charlotte-Gastonia, NC-SC
13.Hot Springs, AR
14.Saginaw, MI
15.Albuquerque, NM
16.Little Rock, AR
17.Yakima, WA
18.Tucson, AZ
19.Oakland-Fremont, CA
20.Macon, Ga
21.Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
22.Houston,TX
23.Modesto, CA
24.Sumter, SC
25.Alexandria, LA

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Old 10-25-2008, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Most Dangerous 25:Metropolitan crime statistics

City Crime Rankings by Population Group
ROFLMFAO @ some guy trying to make a quick buck off "his version" ranking city murder stats.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 12:12 PM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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stones....glasshouses....refraining perhaps.....

Houston murder rate reaches #2 in nation


HOUSTON -- Houston's murder rate was No. 2 in the nation in 2006, outranked only by Philadelphia, KPRC Local 2 reported Tuesday.

According to statistics compiled by the FBI, Houston's homicide rate climbed 12 percent in 2006 with a total of 334 deaths
If that's even true, anything from 2005/2006 is skewed due to the influx of hurricane Katrina evacuees from New Orleans (a previous murder capital).

Since then, many of them have been jailed or moved elsewhere; look up more recent numbers and you'll find otherwise.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 12:19 PM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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Heres the full article.
Houston Murder Rate Reaches No. 2 In Nation - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston (http://www.click2houston.com/news/13448543/detail.html - broken link)

Houston's murder rate was No. 2 in the nation in 2006, outranked only by Philadelphia, KPRC Local 2 reported Tuesday.

According to statistics compiled by the FBI, Houston's homicide rate climbed 12 percent in 2006 with a total of 334 deaths. The Bayou City had more murders than Dallas for the first time in more than a decade.

Police admitted that the Houston homicide rate spiked in 2006, but insisted that it is on the decline in 2007.

The wave of Katrina evacuees that settled in Houston included criminals that police said were involved in 74 killings last year.

"That is almost 20 percent of our total murders here in 2006 were Katrina-related. No other city in the country had to deal with that kind of influx of population of 150-200,000. And, certainly, that impacts on a murder rate," said Capt. Dale Brown with the Houston Police Homicide Division.



Looking at that article, I don't think I'd want to come in the Houston forum from Philly posting that! And notice the mention of Houston passing Dallas for the first time in a decade, and the Katrina evacuees contribution.

It's 2008 now. Things have changed in Houston... for the better.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Here's a little info on Morgan Quitno who wrote those skewed city crime publications.




Criticism

The FBI recommends against use of its crime statistics for the direct comparison of cities as Morgan Quitno does in its "Most Dangerous Cities" rankings. This is due to the many factors that influence crime in a particular study area such as population density and the degree of urbanization, modes of transportation of highway system, economic conditions, and citizens' attitudes toward crime. [1]
In October 2007 The American Society of Criminology, The U.S. Conference of Mayors, and The Federal Bureau of Investigation requested that the publisher reconsider the promotion of the book — specifically, "their inaccurate and inflammatory press release labeling cities as 'safest' and 'most dangerous'" — because the rankings are "baseless and damaging." In November 2007 the executive board of the American Society of Criminology (ASC) approved a resolution opposing the development of city crime rankings from FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCRs). The resolution states the rankings "These rankings represent an irresponsible misuse of the data and do groundless harm to many communities" and "work against a key goal of our society, which is a better understanding of crime-related issues by both scientists and the public."[2]
The U.S. Conference of Mayors has criticized the "Most Dangerous Cities" list, saying the annual city-by-city crime rankings are "distorted and damaging to cities' reputations." [3] [4]
Cities of Illinois are not included in this ranking due to a disparity in reporting rape cases between Illinois State police data and FBI data. Other cities may not be included due to lack of some data.
Morgan Quitno's "Most Dangerous Cities" ranking has been criticized as a statistical half-truth, since it does not adjust rankings of cities with wide area city limits (Houston, Jacksonville) compared to cities with inner core limits (St. Louis, Atlanta). Houston's city crime statistics, for instance, are diluted by lower crime in affluent areas within its broad city limits, whereas almost all the low crime affluent areas of St. Louis are outside its city limits, which constitute only 12.5% of its metro area. St. Louis would fall far down the dangerous cities list just by annexing adjacent suburbs in this methodology, with no actual change in personal safety. Metro area rankings include all suburbs for all MSAs and therefore have some validity.


Source:
Morgan Quitno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 10-25-2008, 12:25 PM
 
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Philly is a dying city. Corrupt government with a lack of vision for attracting new business' and opportunities has made that way. As for real estate, 250k gets you a 'twin' in a decent neighborhood. The elite and wealthy will continue to do well and can afford the 2M condos going up in Rittenhouse Square but I fear Phila's middle class is getting squeezed.

Compare that to Houston, with some of the most affordable real estate, #1 Job market and mild winters and I think the choice is easier.

For a single guy, Houston is home to (according to Dick Clark) the prettiest women in the country while Philly wins Ugliest women for the 2nd year in a row.
I'd choose Houston.
 
Old 10-25-2008, 04:40 PM
 
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Thanks for all the information.

Was wondering with all the information on crime on here, was wondering if like philadelphia if there is a certain part of the city that we should defintely stay out of in houston both because of crime and bad schools. I know Philly has a high crime rate in especially the areas north and west of the city.
I know there is the difference in the cost of housing between these two cities, we have been looking at housing in philly and we can defintely get more and a newer house in houston, just wondering what areas was being referred to with the decent "twin" home for 250K.

And is the driving really that bad in houston? I dont know hwo to phrase this, but is houston known for good drivers or bad drivers?
 
Old 10-25-2008, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Looking at that article, I don't think I'd want to come in the Houston forum from Philly posting that! And notice the mention of Houston passing Dallas for the first time in a decade, and the Katrina evacuees contribution.

It's 2008 now. Things have changed in Houston... for the better.
Of the 10 largest cities in the USA Philly was #1 in violent crime last year- its first ever dishonor of being in that #1 slot.But when Houston is #2 on that list and has been ranked ahead of Philadlephia many times in the past decade thats when the finger pointing needs to be challenged and addressed.


Try to keep in mind the makeup of Houston and Philadelphia are drastically different. Houston is much younger,suburban oriented and about 5x the geographical size of Philadlephia. If Philadlephia were allowed to annex its suburbs like Houston has then Philadelphia wouldnt even be a blip on the violent crime radar.If Philadlephia spread into its suburbs 591 sq. miles like Houston then Philaldephia is lumped in with Seattle,San Jose +Salt Lake City not Houston. The fact that Houston is #2 on the list should be disconcerning given its relative youth,wealth and suburban nature. The reality of it is that the South as a whole has alarming problems with violent crime.
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