02-04-2009, 04:25 PM
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Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the United States Department of Justice disagrees with you both:
CSOM Publications - Recidivism of Sex Offenders
Even in TREATED (psychologically) child molesters, they still have a remarkably high rate of recidivism--20%...and that control group was small (79).
That's about 19.99999% more than I want in any man living in a building within 100 yards of my own home.
They don't need to treat them. They need to make sure they have the right person, and lock them up for a loooong time with castration as an option.
Thank you for posting the scientific version of what I was saying
02-04-2009, 04:52 PM
Location: Houston
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20% is certainly not" remarkably high", and certainly better than doing nothing.
02-04-2009, 05:42 PM
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Law Enforcement seeks help from people working in adult sometimes.... and I, as well as a few friends I know who work in online webdesign of adult sites.... have did some consulting for Law Enforcement.
Sex Offender Treatment Program: Initial Recidivism Study—Executive Summary
This study says otherwise. As for saying people's fetishes don't change, this may be true. But this study seems to indicate that treatment works. It's my opinion that the overall attitude that sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated is doing more harm than good. These offender registries are costing taxpayers a lot of money. But, that's probably the point. Like the war on drugs, it's a way to create high paying jobs for cronies while simultaneously garnering easy votes for politicians.
02-04-2009, 06:18 PM
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20% is certainly not" remarkably high", and certainly better than doing nothing.
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crbcrbrgv
Sex Offender Treatment Program: Initial Recidivism Study—Executive Summary
This study says otherwise. As for saying people's fetishes don't change, this may be true. But this study seems to indicate that treatment works. It's my opinion that the overall attitude that sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated is doing more harm than good. These offender registries are costing taxpayers a lot of money. But, that's probably the point. Like the war on drugs, it's a way to create high paying jobs for cronies while simultaneously garnering easy votes for politicians.
Do either of you have kids? Jeez. You're defending the plight of convicted child molesters.
These are scum who should
never have a second chance to see if they "might" do it again!
Gads. Freaking people. Rehabilitate? Are you serious? You rehabilitate alcoholics. Not child molesters. You lock them up, cut their nads off, or you kill them. Pretty simple.
02-04-2009, 07:32 PM
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I'm just thinking rationally. The last statement is pretty ridiculous.
04-23-2009, 02:58 PM
Location: Durham, NC
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Huh?
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Mom2Feebs
Do either of you have kids? Jeez. You're defending the plight of convicted child molesters.
These are scum who should
never have a second chance to see if they "might" do it again!
Gads. Freaking people. Rehabilitate? Are you serious? You rehabilitate alcoholics. Not child molesters. You lock them up, cut their nads off, or you kill them. Pretty simple.
You need to move to Afghanistan...maybe your version of justice is accepted by the Taliban
.
Fact is most people convicted of child sexual abuse
know their victims. Many times it is a relative, guardian, or friend of the family. The media and political driven paradigm of the "monster" lurking in the shadows or prowling the playground is NOT reality.
In my opinion, more should be done in our society to
prevent sexual abuse in the first place. If 20% of the cases are repeats then why not concentrate on the 80% of first-time offenses? People who feel these urges and want to get help probably never seek it for fear of being labelled a "pervert" and scrutinized by law enforcement.
True pedophilia is a mental health issue and should be treated as such.
Attraction to adolescents (children who are developing) and teens under 18 is more of a social and legal issue. Many of these laws have changed in many states just in the past few years. In NC for instance, the age of consent was 13 yrs old right up until 1995. Now it is 16. This probably has to do with politics more than anything. Back in the "good ol' days", in most states, a 14 yr old girl would get pregnant and get married and while it wasn't thought of as being the best situation it
was legal.
Some of thsese laws are ridiculous in my opinion. Convicting a 20 yr old man of statutory rape because he had sex with his 15yr old girlfriend and making him register as a sex offender for 20 yrs does
NOTHING to protect children from sexual predators!
04-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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Do either of you have kids? Jeez. You're defending the plight of convicted child molesters.
These are scum who should
never have a second chance to see if they "might" do it again!
Gads. Freaking people. Rehabilitate? Are you serious? You rehabilitate alcoholics. Not child molesters. You lock them up, cut their nads off, or you kill them. Pretty simple.
I understand you're from Texas and are probably fairly religious and I'll assume that by your member title, You're not a Democrat, Anyways, Even by bible standards, an eye for an eye would be just to have someone rape them which might be just as good a punishment.
I would never defend a
real child molester (anything other then teens that are like 2-3 years apart) but honestly, killing them ? I could see it if you caught them in the act but that's not a punishment, that would lead to killing someone over anything from petty theft to imbezzelment and besides, Isn't the death penalty a capital punishment ? I thought most Texans were conservatives that wanted less government ?
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04-23-2009, 04:39 PM
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Well for the first time I have to agree with Mom..... a man who rapes a child should be sent to prison and IMO rec the death penalty esp if the victim is a small child or baby. There is no rehab for scum like that.
04-23-2009, 04:41 PM
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Well for the first time I have to agree with Mom..... a man who rapes a child should be sent to prison and IMO rec the death penalty esp if the victim is a small child or baby. There is no rehab for scum like that.
Just out of curiosity, Should a 17 year old be given the death penalty if he messed with a 3 year old ?
Should a 14 year old be given the death penalty if he messed with a 4 year old ?
04-23-2009, 05:27 PM
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a man who rapes a child should be sent to prison and IMO rec the death penalty esp if the victim is a small child or baby. There is no rehab for scum like that.
I feel the same way, there's no rehab for these guys. Get them out of society forever. I don't care what happens to them as long as they never rejoin society to reoffend.
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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These are scum who should never have a second chance to see if they "might" do it again! 
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