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Old 11-23-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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The last time the WA unions bucked up to Boeing like this in 2009, they moved production of the 787 to Charleston.

Charleston has what Boeing would need to move the 777. HSV does as well (landwise).

Local government and union is what is CURRENTLY pushing them out of WA state.

Do you even stop to consider how much Boeing would save by not having to deal with these unions? I don't think you quite understand how these forced unions operate up there.
Think what you want to. There is a higher probability that they stay where they are than move somewhere else right now. If you don't like my opinion, that's fine.
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Old 11-23-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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From what I've read about this program, Boeing may be looking to minimize the amount of assemblies that are manufactured elsewhere for final assembly (hopefully here). IIRC Boeing has had some delays with programs that outsourced too widely. Outsourced materials and subassemblies can be shipped by rail or water (which we have), with IIRC a few parts - like the wings - requiring special accomodations. My simple answer would be to build the too big to ship stuff onsite (here).

If Boeing builds at the airport and / or at the TVA megasite, Madison workers will be the biggest winner of all. No more squinty eyes.
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Old 11-23-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Boeing has asked 15 locations around the United States to submit formal bids for the work of building its forthcoming 777X jet...

Washington state is one of the 15 sites under consideration, said the person close to the discussions. Long Beach, Calif., and Salt Lake City, Utah, are also on the list...

Other sites likely to be on Boeing’s list are Huntsville, Ala.; San Antonio, Texas; and North Charleston, S.C.

The states of Kansas and Missouri have also recently declared their interest.

All have existing aerospace expertise and Boeing facilities...

Boeing will consider proposals for final assembly of the airplane, for fabrication and assembly of its giant composite wing, or for both.

“Those could occur in the same place or separately,”
Boeing picks 15 potential sites nationwide to build 777X | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times

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Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters...

This week, Sawant became Seattle’s first elected Socialist council member...

Sawant is calling for machinists to literally take-possession of the Everett airplane-building factory, if Boeing moves out. She calls that "democratic ownership."

“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don't need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said.

Sawant says after workers “take-over” the Everett Boeing plant; they could build things everyone can use.

“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,”
Seattle City Councilmember-elect shares radical idea with... | www.kirotv.com
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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Man am I glad she got elected with only about 3% of the city population voting for her. Most Seattleites think she's nuts.
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Madison, AL
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Yes, war machines like the Boeing 777 and 747 that probably do more for the common good of humanity than nearly every other invention out there. What a moron.
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Old 11-23-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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Yeah right, I would imagine overpaid union machinists would be great business leaders. Buses?.........she obviously has no clue about the competitiveness of the automotive market. Sounds like she has it all figured out. lol
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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I think I remember reading a week or two ago that Boeing is set up to receive around $9 Billion in tax incentives over the coming years if they stay in Washington? There's also no corporate income tax in WA. I'm curious to know how that breaks down in relation to labor/site costs in other sites/putting up with the union, etc.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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Also, to elaborate on the Charleston site; The available land at their current Charleston site has issues with the land itself. What they could expand into is essentially a swamp and the probability of them getting the necessary permits to do so is pretty low. Therefore, they either need a completely new site in Charleston....or the probability that they're able to get all of the environmental issues cleared up is extremely low and they don't go to Charleston.

I think HSV has some pretty nice edges over Charleston. Even though we're "landlocked", we do still have access to shipping and transportation via the TN river. Not to mention, our airport actually has the additional benefits of being able to handle large planes, specifically the 787, that not many airports in the Southeast can do without modification. I think the workforce overall has the edge of being geared toward high-tech while Charleston has been moving more toward textiles. That's not to say that they don't have a high-tech workforce, I just mean overall. We also have Carpenter Steel a stone's throw away from a Boeing addition. Finally, the state of Alabama has the lowest corporate tax burden (in the country I think) which is another slight edge (even though Charleston is not very far behind).

With all that said, I'm beginning to feel more and more like they'll stay in Washington. If they do move, I think HSV has an edge over everyone that's assumed to be going after them.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC metro
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The entire CHS airport and downtown were built on a swamp. I'm not sure that's a factor. I live a block away from one of the Boeing sites and Im not even in a flood zone. Unfriendly-to-Union port city is pretty much the leading trait. You do have to remember that Boeing employs hundreds of data analysts that can pull numbers at will. It will come down to the bottom dollar. If Washington makes up for the costs associated with the worker demands, then they will stay in Washington. If HSV can make up the difference associated with land locked exporting, then they will go to HSV. If Charleston can...hmm...well looks like they are all set. It will come down to numbers but I think the decision has long been made.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:02 PM
 
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The entire CHS airport and downtown were built on a swamp. I'm not sure that's a factor. I live a block away from one of the Boeing sites and Im not even in a flood zone. Unfriendly-to-Union port city is pretty much the leading trait. You do have to remember that Boeing employs hundreds of data analysts that can pull numbers at will. It will come down to the bottom dollar. If Washington makes up for the costs associated with the worker demands, then they will stay in Washington. If HSV can make up the difference associated with land locked exporting, then they will go to HSV. If Charleston can...hmm...well looks like they are all set. It will come down to numbers but I think the decision has long been made.
I don't think it'll drag out. It all looks like posturing by Boeing to get a better union deal in WA. What better way to get a good deal than to threaten to pull the whole thing?
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