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Old 01-21-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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I dunno.. they also had a light and water show called "the Glory of Easter" that told the whole Easter story (we were there within a few weeks of Easter)

 
Old 01-21-2014, 09:49 PM
 
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I'm actually able to tell my kid, when we see something that's not true, "Hey, that's not true."

(Usually advertisements.)

Oh, and here's a crop from a photo I took of my wife when we were in DC at the Jefferson Memorial. I didn't even realize what it said on the wall when I took it. It's long, so I just cropped the relevant part:

 
Old 01-21-2014, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I'm actually able to tell my kid, when we see something that's not true, "Hey, that's not true."

(Usually advertisements.)

Oh, and here's a crop from a photo I took of my wife when we were in DC at the Jefferson Memorial. I didn't even realize what it said on the wall when I took it. It's long, so I just cropped the relevant part:
Public money should not be used to expose children to a religious viewpoint that contradicts the scientific evidence that supports evolution, such as the idea that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.

Creationists are free to teach such ideas from the pulpit, in Sunday School, in schools paid for with church money, even from a street corner.

No tax support for their efforts, though, and not in a public school classroom. That includes a class transported to a religious education center during the course of a school day. If parents want to take their children, that is fine. Just not on the taxpayer's dime.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Public money should not be used to expose children to a religious viewpoint that contradicts the scientific evidence that supports evolution, such as the idea that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.

Creationists are free to teach such ideas from the pulpit, in Sunday School, in schools paid for with church money, even from a street corner.

No tax support for their efforts, though, and not in a public school classroom. That includes a class transported to a religious education center during the course of a school day. If parents want to take their children, that is fine. Just not on the taxpayer's dime.
If they had their way Creationism would be taught in public schools in Alabama. They tried and failed not that long ago.

Here is an excerpt from a article at The National Center for Science Education in 2012:
"When the last day of the regular legislative session of the Alabama legislature ended on May 16, 2012, a bill that would have established a credit-for-creationism scheme died. House Bill 133, if enacted, would have authorized "local boards of education to include released time religious instruction as an elective course for high school students.""

Credit-for-creationism scheme dies in Alabama
May 17th, 2012
Credit-for-creationism scheme dies in Alabama | NCSE

There is nothing sacred about what we call Science. Science is simply the theories that people develop to explain the evidence gathered. When the evidence shows a theory is not right then either the theory is modified or a new one replaces it.

The problem with Creationism is that it selectively only uses evidence that supports it. Other evidence that contradicts it is ignored.

Real Science has evolved over thousands of years of progress. Right or wrong it is the best we have based on our current knowledge. Creationism will never evolve since it is based on rigid ideology.

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Old 01-22-2014, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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Public money should not be used to expose children to a religious viewpoint that contradicts the scientific evidence that supports evolution...
How about using public money to attack Christian beliefs? Is that okay?

I think children should be exposed to all beliefs. How else can they learn to interpret this complex world and decide that what they have been taught is what they truly believe? Those who refuse to understand how others think cannot possibly function outside their own comfort zone.

BTW - I never reference Creationism or Evolution, and I never try to force my beliefs on others. However, I do have a problem with those who do try to force their beliefs on others - and stating one's belief does not force others to follow it.

I'll end this with the definition of a 'fool'...

"One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding."

'nuff said .

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Old 01-22-2014, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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How about using public money to attack Christian beliefs? Is that okay?
No. That is the whole point. Government has to stay out of religion altogether.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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No. That is the whole point. Government has to stay out of religion altogether.
I edited my post as you were quoting it - just letting you know.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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How about using public money to attack Christian beliefs? Is that okay?

I think children should be exposed to all beliefs. How else can they learn to interpret this complex world and decide that what they have been taught is what they truly believe? Those who refuse to understand how others think cannot possibly function outside their own comfort zone.

BTW - I never reference Creationism or Evolution, and I never try to force my beliefs on others. However, I do have a problem with those who do try to force their beliefs on others - and stating one's belief does not force others to follow it.

I'll end this with the definition of a 'fool'...

"One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding."

'nuff said .
Creationism is a religious belief. The only context in which it should be taught is in a class on religion.

The Theory of evolution is a scientific explanation of the natural world. Therein lies the difference.

Wedge strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.pdf

The creationists are trying to force their beliefs on all of us when they come up with a "science" museum that is a display for religious ideas. They are free to build it and call it whatever they wish. Government should not financially support it, either directly or indirectly, and it should not be used for public school instruction on school time. If parents want their children to see it, let the parents take them there.

I have not called you a fool. I would expect the same courtesy from you. You disappoint me.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Government has to stay out of religion altogether.
No it doesn't.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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No it doesn't.
Oh? Would you like for Islamic Sharia to become the basis for U. S. law?
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