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Old 08-06-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Madison, AL
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The challenge Frontier faces is that there were no connections which you could purchase for going and returning, so they were limited to passengers for whom Denver (or other points in Colorado) was their final destination. Even though Southwest doesn't like having connecting passengers, they still have flight itineraries which have a connection at one of their hubs.

This.


AirTran had the same problem. We had flights to Orlando and BWI. I looked at booking them once and the connecting destinations available through BWI were very limited. And most of the connection times were atrocious. I mean like 4 hours or longer. I think there weren't any connections through Orlando.
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:02 AM
 
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It's a temporary seasonal hiatus. Flight to Denver will pick up in the spring. Apparently they do this is a lot of cities.

https://www.al.com/business/2019/09/...-november.html
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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It's a temporary seasonal hiatus. Flight to Denver will pick up in the spring. Apparently they do this is a lot of cities.

https://www.al.com/business/2019/09/...-november.html

Thanks for the update - This is very good news. After several attempts by low fare carriers to make it at HSV, it appears that Frontier has found the magic formula and that is having service two or three days a week (not having to fill up planes 7 days a week like AirTran needed) and having seasonal service.


Looking in the future, it would be great if the new Moxy Airlines (being developed by David Neeleman, the founder of Jet Blue Airlines) will consider HSV as they are targeting cities that are underserved.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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The secondary airports will be the next source of new revenue for airlines. The legacy airlines already own the hubs but they've become too congested and expensive. Just look at the European discount airline model. Ryan air rarely flies into a major airport.

https://www.aviationpros.com/airport...ndary-airports

Hopefully when Frontier bring back the DEN flights, they'll provide better connection times. Maybe introduce a flight to New York.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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These are my observations from flying Frontier HSV to Denver last Thursday morning and returning Sunday afternoon.

1. The plane arriving from Orlando and flying to Denver was full. (This was according to the flight attendant.) We were so full that they asked for five volunteers to leave (for a voucher of $500) because we were over the weight limit. (The FAA required a full fuel tank due to weather conditions in Denver.) Luckily five volunteered but it delayed our departure by an hour - Frontier is not the airline for business travelers
2. These flights were during the local fall school break so this was an unusual situation - there were lots of families with school kids (and screaming babies). Looking at the monthly calendar, later in October the fares are very low which indicates a good number of empty seats.
3. I observed that there were a good number of passengers on the plane from the Denver area - based on seeing a lot of clothing with Colorado teams on it and overhearing people talk. This is a good sign for the long term viability of flights to Denver.
4. The Airbus A320 is the best aircraft flying out of HSV - it's newer and a lot better than the old MD88's which Delta flies to Atlanta.
5. The return flight departed early and arrived early.
6. Frontier has produced what is called the "Southwest effect" where the major carriers reduce their fares to compete with the low cost carriers. Sunday night I checked the United website and you could fly to Denver this Thursday and return on Sunday for less than $300.00. United, American and Delta all have Basic Economy fares out of Hsv, so this has led to a good many more passengers flying out of HSV who in the past would drive to Nashville to fly.

Frontier is a huge plus for North Alabama travelers and I look forward to their resuming service in the Spring (after discontinuing service to Denver in mid November).
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:35 PM
 
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These are my observations from flying Frontier HSV to Denver last Thursday morning and returning Sunday afternoon.

1. The plane arriving from Orlando and flying to Denver was full. (This was according to the flight attendant.) We were so full that they asked for five volunteers to leave (for a voucher of $500) because we were over the weight limit. (The FAA required a full fuel tank due to weather conditions in Denver.) Luckily five volunteered but it delayed our departure by an hour - Frontier is not the airline for business travelers
2. These flights were during the local fall school break so this was an unusual situation - there were lots of families with school kids (and screaming babies). Looking at the monthly calendar, later in October the fares are very low which indicates a good number of empty seats.
3. I observed that there were a good number of passengers on the plane from the Denver area - based on seeing a lot of clothing with Colorado teams on it and overhearing people talk. This is a good sign for the long term viability of flights to Denver.
4. The Airbus A320 is the best aircraft flying out of HSV - it's newer and a lot better than the old MD88's which Delta flies to Atlanta.
5. The return flight departed early and arrived early.
6. Frontier has produced what is called the "Southwest effect" where the major carriers reduce their fares to compete with the low cost carriers. Sunday night I checked the United website and you could fly to Denver this Thursday and return on Sunday for less than $300.00. United, American and Delta all have Basic Economy fares out of Hsv, so this has led to a good many more passengers flying out of HSV who in the past would drive to Nashville to fly.

Frontier is a huge plus for North Alabama travelers and I look forward to their resuming service in the Spring (after discontinuing service to Denver in mid November).
Indications are Frontier is doing well here, wish they would add another destination and or workable connections. This is common though across Frontier's network. Suspending service or as they call it seasonal service is also common to most cities Frontier serves. Orlando nonstops continue through till April 2020.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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These are my observations from flying Frontier HSV to Denver last Thursday morning and returning Sunday afternoon.

1. The plane arriving from Orlando and flying to Denver was full. (This was according to the flight attendant.) We were so full that they asked for five volunteers to leave (for a voucher of $500) because we were over the weight limit. (The FAA required a full fuel tank due to weather conditions in Denver.) Luckily five volunteered but it delayed our departure by an hour - Frontier is not the airline for business travelers
2. These flights were during the local fall school break so this was an unusual situation - there were lots of families with school kids (and screaming babies). Looking at the monthly calendar, later in October the fares are very low which indicates a good number of empty seats.
3. I observed that there were a good number of passengers on the plane from the Denver area - based on seeing a lot of clothing with Colorado teams on it and overhearing people talk. This is a good sign for the long term viability of flights to Denver.
4. The Airbus A320 is the best aircraft flying out of HSV - it's newer and a lot better than the old MD88's which Delta flies to Atlanta.
5. The return flight departed early and arrived early.
6. Frontier has produced what is called the "Southwest effect" where the major carriers reduce their fares to compete with the low cost carriers. Sunday night I checked the United website and you could fly to Denver this Thursday and return on Sunday for less than $300.00. United, American and Delta all have Basic Economy fares out of Hsv, so this has led to a good many more passengers flying out of HSV who in the past would drive to Nashville to fly.

Frontier is a huge plus for North Alabama travelers and I look forward to their resuming service in the Spring (after discontinuing service to Denver in mid November).
Passenger traffic is up at Huntsville International by 23.2% for the 12 month period ending July 31 compared to the same period the previous year. That's a pretty significant increase, and some of that increase is no doubt due to Frontier and Silver service, both on those airlines and on other airlines because of reduced fares. Of course, the local economic boom is a big factor too, and should continue for the forseeable future. If numbers hold for the rest of the year, total passenger traffic will be close to 1.4 million this calendar year.

And yes, Frontier has very nice airplanes, and it's not only the paint scheme (which is fantastic). Their planes are significantly quieter taking off than any of the other airlines. Maybe at some point soon Delta, United, American, and others that serve HSV will need to switch to larger and newer aircraft.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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Passenger traffic is up at Huntsville International by 23.2% for the 12 month period ending July 31 compared to the same period the previous year. That's a pretty significant increase, and some of that increase is no doubt due to Frontier and Silver service, both on those airlines and on other airlines because of reduced fares. Of course, the local economic boom is a big factor too, and should continue for the forseeable future. If numbers hold for the rest of the year, total passenger traffic will be close to 1.4 million this calendar year.

And yes, Frontier has very nice airplanes, and it's not only the paint scheme (which is fantastic). Their planes are significantly quieter taking off than any of the other airlines. Maybe at some point soon Delta, United, American, and others that serve HSV will need to switch to larger and newer aircraft.

Delta will have newer planes because they are discontinuing their MD88's and replacing them with Boeing 717's (which AirTran originally bought and sold when they were acquired by Southwest) and the new Airbus planes being produced in Mobile.


United and American don't technically fly here - their commuter affiliates do. Consequently, their planes have 50 to 70 seats. The good thing about the smaller planes is that if you purchase a Basic Economy ticket how bad a seat can they give you? - On these planes there is often a one - two seat configuration with little over twenty rows, (if not, a two - two) so it's not like you'd be assigned to middle seat of row 42. If you fly Delta, this is a possibility.


As a way of explanation, the Basic Economy tickets have the following restrictions:
you can't cancel and rebook your ticket, you can't bring a carry on (on United they check you) and you don't get your seat assigned until 24 hours before the flight. Regardless, flying on United and American from HSV to Chicago, Washington DC Or Denver, you can't get a bad seat with the Basic Economy fare. Now when you make a connection at one of their hubs, you risk the possibility of the middle seat of row 42 on your connecting flight.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Delta will have newer planes because they are discontinuing their MD88's and replacing them with Boeing 717's (which AirTran originally bought and sold when they were acquired by Southwest) and the new Airbus planes being produced in Mobile.


United and American don't technically fly here - their commuter affiliates do. Consequently, their planes have 50 to 70 seats. The good thing about the smaller planes is that if you purchase a Basic Economy ticket how bad a seat can they give you? - On these planes there is often a one - two seat configuration with little over twenty rows, (if not, a two - two) so it's not like you'd be assigned to middle seat of row 42. If you fly Delta, this is a possibility.


As a way of explanation, the Basic Economy tickets have the following restrictions:
you can't cancel and rebook your ticket, you can't bring a carry on (on United they check you) and you don't get your seat assigned until 24 hours before the flight. Regardless, flying on United and American from HSV to Chicago, Washington DC Or Denver, you can't get a bad seat with the Basic Economy fare. Now when you make a connection at one of their hubs, you risk the possibility of the middle seat of row 42 on your connecting flight.
Another good thing about the smaller planes is that they have more flights than they would with larger jets, and therefore more convenient schedules.

I might be mistaken, but I think Delta is the only airline that provides mainline service anywhere in Alabama (other than the low-cost carriers like Frontier and Southwest). Some years ago when I practically lived in an airplane, American had mainline service to Dallas (and for a while, even to Nashville before their hub went belly-up).
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:00 PM
 
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American has flown Airbus 319 in the past to HSV.
Hopefully Delta will use Airbus 220 for smaller markets.
This beautiful plane will also eventually be built in Mobile.
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