08-19-2009, 08:11 PM
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Ditto that, Amen, and Word!!! I moved here in 2000 and saw the same thing in 2005 post BRAC announcement. Especially in 5 Points. I kept hearing the same story when browsing for a house - about how the owners bought for $y in 1999 and "...isn't it wonderful that now it's listed at $3y. You too can triple your investment if you buy this house. " If only I bought my first home when I just moved here in 2000.
As a stereotypical cheapskate engineer, I refuse to buy now out of principle (or from lack of principal
).
LOL...
Do you guys remember what was the average $/sq. ft. houses sold for back in '99 ~ '05 ?
08-19-2009, 08:34 PM
Location: Madison, Alabama
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LOL...
Do you guys remember what was the average $/sq. ft. houses sold for back in '99 ~ '05 ?
HB2HSV: Thought you might find these numbers interesting since you live in Madison:
I just pulled the history for Clifts Cove in Madison:
1999 average price per square foot was $98.00
2005 average price per square foot was $135.00
2009 average price per square foot is: $128.93
I have been in many of these and several were showing their age and ready to be updated. Per square foot price has ranged from $100 (foreclosure) to a high of $157 (it was immaculate). Pull that foreclosure out and the average to date is $133.
There was another foreclosure that I did not figure in to my comps. It was a total wreck. Wasn't located "inside" Clifts Cove, but on the back side, directly across the street from the water tower. I didn't feel it was a good comp at all.
08-20-2009, 01:12 PM
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HB2HSV: Thought you might find these numbers interesting since you live in Madison:
I just pulled the history for Clifts Cove in Madison:
1999 average price per square foot was $98.00
2005 average price per square foot was $135.00
2009 average price per square foot is: $128.93
I have been in many of these and several were showing their age and ready to be updated. Per square foot price has ranged from $100 (foreclosure) to a high of $157 (it was immaculate). Pull that foreclosure out and the average to date is $133.
There was another foreclosure that I did not figure in to my comps. It was a total wreck. Wasn't located "inside" Clifts Cove, but on the back side, directly across the street from the water tower. I didn't feel it was a good comp at all.
Thanks, Liz_G
Say, can you pull the same stats on houses on Governors' Bend? Back in 1988, I had an opportunity to come to work in HSV and buy one of those houses. I am just curious what prices they would be today? (I'd suspect I'll be
once I find out).
ps - How was your latest haircut?
08-20-2009, 05:14 PM
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Thanks, Liz_G
Say, can you pull the same stats on houses on Governors' Bend? Back in 1988, I had an opportunity to come to work in HSV and buy one of those houses. I am just curious what prices they would be today? (I'd suspect I'll be
once I find out).
ps - How was your latest haircut?
If you ask her to do that pro bono, I hope you are prepared to design a rocket for her for free - and not by double dipping on the government charge line.
You remember what happened to the last guys that designed a rocket as a return favor for pro bono realtor services:
(public domain photo from wikipedia commons)
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08-20-2009, 09:21 PM
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If you ask her to do that pro bono, I hope you are prepared to design a rocket for her for free -
Why does Liz_G need a rocket? My friends at the ATF may wanna know
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and not by double dipping on the government charge line.
*sigh* A wicked mind can never think that others may take the high road.
All that Boeing mandatory ethics training just went out of window *sigh*
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You remember what happened to the last guys that designed a rocket as a return favor for pro bono realtor services:
Yes, he received a 3-day suspension from C-D forum
08-21-2009, 05:55 AM
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Is BRAC Done?
I found this at al.com:
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BRAC building is last one
Friday, August 21, 2009 From staff reports
Huntsville Times
Rotary Wing Center includes hangar,office at Redstone
A ground-breaking ceremony today for a Rotary Wing Center at the airfield on Redstone Arsenal will mark the beginnings of the final BRAC construction projects on the sprawling military base.
There will also be a new headquarters building for the newly formed Redstone Test Center, which oversees the Rotary Wing Center. A total of $46.5 million has been set aside for the hangar at the airfield and the new RTC headquarters, which will be on Martin Road across from the Army Materiel Command Headquarters already under construction.
http://www.al.com/business/huntsvill...750.xml&coll=1
08-23-2009, 01:29 PM
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HB2HSV and Charles, I'm not so sure gray is your color for the jail uniforms. A nice tweed fabric, possibly?
We can talk about bartering for a rocket...why not? LOL.
Okay HB2HSV: I'm only finding sales for Governors Bend dating back to 1992, so I am pulling solds from 92-93 combined. (I'm not sure how far back our MLS gathers data)
6 sold, (1 in '92 and 5 in '93). The average price per square foot was $106, with square footage ranging from 3200 to 5581 square feet. (McMansion in those days!).
1998- 6 sold, average price per square foot was only $92.53 per square foot. (low of $72, high of $102). Average sale price was $408,150
2003- 3 sold, average price per square foot was $80.96 (low of $68 high of $93) Average sale price was $352,000
2008 2 sold, average price per square foot was $156.73 (One new construction was $174.97 and one existing at $155.88). Average sale price was $702,500.
Interesting....
08-23-2009, 10:24 PM
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Looks like as soon as the BRAC was announced, the prices hiked. But oh well... better to buy established developments than to buy new developments here as far as getting free of new developer's bizarre, legally defined, ownerships over homeowners.
Why on earth would anyone pay over 600K for a house here? Unless it is an amazing palatial mansion, forget it. I know for a fact that houses in DC Metro, in good school districts with lots of amenities and no NEW developer strings tied to them, are selling at that price point. 700K in DC metro: in good district is acceptable due to amenities, cool things to do, amazing job opportunities etc. Here? I am thinking it's a bit overblown. JMO
Still love it here, but don't get it. Not one bit.
08-24-2009, 06:49 AM
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Looks like as soon as the BRAC was announced, the prices hiked. But oh well... better to buy established developments than to buy new developments here as far as getting free of new developer's bizarre, legally defined, ownerships over homeowners.
Why on earth would anyone pay over 600K for a house here? Unless it is an amazing palatial mansion, forget it. I know for a fact that houses in DC Metro, in good school districts with lots of amenities and no NEW developer strings tied to them, are selling at that price point. 700K in DC metro: in good district is acceptable due to amenities, cool things to do, amazing job opportunities etc. Here? I am thinking it's a bit overblown. JMO
Still love it here, but don't get it. Not one bit.
We have friends going through headache with developers. Their neighborhood is brand new and only about 1/3 filled. The houses are all brick in the 2000-3000sqft, 200-300k range. The developer went bankrupt, now Hunter Homes is trying to buy up the property and develop the remaining tracts. The home owners association has a lawyer fighting it. It looks like Phase I will become a seperate neighborhood with rights to the community pool and what not, Phases II and III will become a Hunter Home neighborhood.
Regarding paying 600k+ for a house here...some people's 700k is my 200k. I can't really understand why someone would stretch their budget for a 700k house here when there are MANY very nice properties lower than that. However, if you can comfortably afford it and it is what you want...why not? If I had the money, I would love to own a home on the rim of Monte Sano with a sunset view. I could also perhaps see spending that much on a beautiful old home in Twickenham or Old Town. However, in some bland suburban development...no way.
08-24-2009, 11:48 AM
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RNC--sorry about your friends' troubles. I know their pain, sort of--it's a state wide problem and needs addressing at that level, IMHO.
I wouldn't love a house on a mountain, no matter how pretty the view. I had climbed stairs for 18 years with groceries and now I don't. Plus, the driveways are too steep for me.
I like my flat land... but the point is, hey, if you want to spend the money here, go for it. But what I see is not much more bang for my buck at those price points compared to DC in certain areas.
JMO
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)