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Old 12-26-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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Anyone? This was an important meeting. They are looking at two more I-15 exists, plus the inner belt loop and other.
Two more exits? There's really only two places I can think of...north of the INL complex off of 33rd north and then somewhere in SRL, possibly near the event center would be my guess.

And the inner belt loop would that be the surface loop or the actual by way type of loop complete with on and off ramps?

They must be expecting some huge growth cause that's a ton of money being invested, I would think around 60 million just for the exits alone.
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Old 12-27-2015, 11:07 PM
 
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Two more exits? There's really only two places I can think of...north of the INL complex off of 33rd north and then somewhere in SRL, possibly near the event center would be my guess.

And the inner belt loop would that be the surface loop or the actual by way type of loop complete with on and off ramps?

They must be expecting some huge growth cause that's a ton of money being invested, I would think around 60 million just for the exits alone.
Yes, two more I-15 exists are in the mix to be discussed, along with more. I never said they would both be done in a year. On the other site I wrote this new update is anticipated to take 18 months to finish. While things can change, I believe the first proriority for completion is the Inner Lining of the Belt Loop. But like everything, if grants or funding for different pieces can be secured, those segments of the plan will be started and hopefully completed by funding options, I believe BMPO wants the most significant segments available.

I'd still think the lining road gets priority. Some may have missed this, the first Phase of NuScale funding is in the 2016 budget. Not hidden in the least. It even says NuScale not Fluor or Areva/Fluor etc. We know another new building is being built at INL and a new shipment of rods to study are being negotiated. Plus Cybersecurity is getting increased funding. NuScale has to go out by INL; however, the Cybersecurity and other energy sources could all go on the INL campus in town, once new buildings were built. Remember I told you about DLV being ready to build?

Just thinking about current traffic patterns, yes, one of the proposed I-15 exits is ~~33 N. It is north of University Blvd. etc. If a larger workforce starts working at the Univ. Blvd. location and general area, there would be some real benefits having that as an I-15 exit for workers, contractors, suppliers etc. It would remove some traffic off of Broadway or I-20. I think part of the plan
is to try to free up some pressure of the Broadway and Sunnyside exits. Just my guess, IDK for certain.

The other I-15 currently proposed exit is north at County Line road. I am not saying when, simply that is a proposed exit and if I remember correctly, that is the northern loop of the Belt loop. In theory, I think, this could either go over and basically end in Rigby, if Jefferson County got into this. If not, it simply will connect somewhere with the highway to Rexburg.

By law, they have to revisit the BMPO plan every five years. When they think it will take 18 months to finish the 16/17 version, they are already planning into the 2020 revision and really not far off from 2030. If they don't, that land will get used by someone or many and there will be less options for 2030. If they plan the land, they can always release it if there isn't the need. But we know I.F. has got to grow west and north.

Do you remember when I said we should go look at the sites together? I think we should do that in the spring. It's going to get dicey when the discussions start about 6500 South. Some of the planning/discussion may be able to understand easier to see the areas to understand. I also suspect there are some pending county things that haven't been announced yet.

What do you think? Shall we take a sight-seeing tour to check out various areas? I'm not sure if anyone else would want to go or not. I need to wait a while to see if my voice improves. It's really difficult to try to discuss the important points when others can't hear me. If you missed this, just check "Let's Get Caught Up," as I posted about the Anaphylactic Shock I had that damaged my vocal chords. So let's just give me more time to see if the swelling will decrease in my vocal chords. We may know more by then about other projecfts anyway. I had someone I really trust who came to IF for Christmas give me a *Curbside Consult* as they are called. She told that probably 8-10 weeks would be considered normal to have that much swelling prevent me from being able to speak, given the mechanism of how this happened. But I see the local specialist I'm having direct this recovery this week. I'll know some things fairly soon.

If you don't want to do this, drive around looking at these areas, that's OK too. It's just easier to see more with 2 or more. For example, did you know one of the farms on Pioneer Road is for sale? From Sunnyside, I would have sworn that was JHJ property. Nope. I ended up on Pioneer one day and was surprised.

Old Butte we need to check, if you want to. That will be the first project done.

Let me know.
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Old 01-10-2016, 02:58 PM
 
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Bid requests are posted to remove the two lane bridge on Lincoln Road and replace with a five lane bridge. Traffic is to be kept moving during this process.

This is Bonneville County. They generally seem to post bid requests a couple of weeks before they are due. I'm guessing they want work to start on this ASAP when the temperatures and schedules allow, but IDK.

While not the largest part, this would be a part of the BMPO update. I know there are business plans for all of Lincoln in I.F. Plus the River Wood development and other, Lincoln is increasingly important for east to west traffic and vice versa.
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Old 01-10-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Bid requests are posted to remove the two lane bridge on Lincoln Road and replace with a five lane bridge. Traffic is to be kept moving during this process.

This is Bonneville County. They generally seem to post bid requests a couple of weeks before they are due. I'm guessing they want work to start on this ASAP when the temperatures and schedules allow, but IDK.

While not the largest part, this would be a part of the BMPO update. I know there are business plans for all of Lincoln in I.F. Plus the River Wood development and other, Lincoln is increasingly important for east to west traffic and vice versa.
Yeah I saw that bid and couldn't figure out where that was. Awesome!!!! The Lincoln Road corridor is definitely ready to grow and the rush hour traffic is getting/is way too heavy.
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Old 01-11-2016, 01:58 AM
 
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Thats more than likely the sand creek bridge. I wonder; there are obviously plans to widen Lincoln, there must be plans in the works for the two intersections at ammon and hitt. The roundabout badly needs replaced by a traffic signal. At ammon rd where the transmission lines cross through the intersection also. The power company would need a larger than normal right of way to put the power lines underground, to relocate the pole to keep the line overhead would require some major reconstruction which also would cost a boatload. Would they really keep that enormous pole in the middle of a five lane intersection?
which leads to more questions, i can understand they want that as a part of this "belt route", but why put it before widening first street at least down to where the new high school will be? Or ammon rd, an already overcrowded 2 lane road from 17th to yellowstone hwy?
Maybe that portion, or the entire belt loop, will be federal money

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Old 01-11-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Thats more than likely the sand creek bridge. I wonder; there are obviously plans to widen Lincoln, there must be plans in the works for the two intersections at ammon and hitt. The roundabout badly needs replaced by a traffic signal. At ammon rd where the transmission lines cross through the intersection also. The power company would need a larger than normal right of way to put the power lines underground, to relocate the pole to keep the line overhead would require some major reconstruction which also would cost a boatload. Would they really keep that enormous pole in the middle of a five lane intersection?
which leads to more questions, i can understand they want that as a part of this "belt route", but why put it before widening first street at least down to where the new high school will be? Or ammon rd, an already overcrowded 2 lane road from 17th to yellowstone hwy?
Maybe that portion, or the entire belt loop, will be federal money
I think, unfortunately, most of the badly needed road widening in the county Falls within Ammon city limits and they always claim to have no money to do road construction which then Falls on the county and BMPO to figure out how to fund. Most federal money is used for highway and bridge construction which leaves municipalities to fend for themselves for local road improvement.

Idaho Falls has done well getting most projects funded federally and maybe due to the city applying for grants and project money, not really sure.

All I know is, if the roads in Ammon and urban 8B don't get fixed soon, its going to be a struggle to keep up with the growth.
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Old 01-11-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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I think, unfortunately, most of the badly needed road widening in the county Falls within Ammon city limits and they always claim to have no money to do road construction which then Falls on the county and BMPO to figure out how to fund. Most federal money is used for highway and bridge construction which leaves municipalities to fend for themselves for local road improvement.

Idaho Falls has done well getting most projects funded federally and maybe due to the city applying for grants and project money, not really sure.

All I know is, if the roads in Ammon and urban 8B don't get fixed soon, its going to be a struggle to keep up with the growth.
I'm really glad you wrote this, IFGuy. I totally agree that most of the the areas mentioned by Theotherdude as areas needing a lot of work are in Ammon's city district. And both Idaho Falls and the county know it. In some Idaho Falls P and Z things I was reading, apparently the subject came up that I.F. had basically been told to *condense* which they did not allowing every proposed project to pass and Ammon has done nothing but annex and build. Apparently, one county commissioner told those in charge of Iona to watch and learn with what is coming up. I'm thinking there could be some rough meetings initially with BMPO as not everyone is happy with Ammon's lack of reigning in any projects. And never does Ammon talk about how they will pay for stoplights etc.

What road leading to or from did Ammon pay for alone? I'm not aware of any. And developers are trying to develop all the land they can. I mean like all the housing projects that are awaiting approval.

I agree, Theotherdude, the bridge is for Sandcreek. I don't know where the dividing lines for cities are on Lincoln. Maybe the bridge was either the easiest way as a natural divider so Ammon and all others in BMPO can start planning today how they will pay for all they will be funding. Idaho Falls will pay only for I.F. Or the County has saved the money and want to build their portion before it costs more as there are more things happening east on Lincoln.

We'll see if Ammon remains the cheaper alternative when they start paying for all the I.F. City Services they get and currently pay nothing to receive. It's not just roads, things like not paying for paramedic service. No. Bingham County and So. Jefferson County pay to receive the same. Theotherdude raises legitimate questions IMO, but why should 8B start anything with First Street? What is the County's vs. Ammon's cover?

I don't want to write more currently except to say maybe starting the BMPO process now, cities will have figured out how to pay for their portions of what needs built soon.

I doubt there would be federal funding for Lincoln, but of course I could be wrong. And sometimes odd grants are available. Perhaps Ammon needs to check out for which, if any grants they qualify. Unlike some roads on the west side that are heavily traveled by INL and Federal Gov't, I can't think of what would be viewed the same on Lincoln.

I agree IFGuy, this stuff has to get fixed soon and Ammon can't keep approving 150 unit developments and the benefits of the growth while not paying for the road infrastructure.

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Old 01-11-2016, 02:41 PM
 
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I'm really glad you wrote this, IFGuy. I totally agree that most of the the areas mentioned by Theotherdude as areas needing a lot of work are in Ammon's city district. And both Idaho Falls and the county know it. In some Idaho Falls P and Z things I was reading, apparently the subject came up that I.F. had basically been told to *condense* which they did not allowing every proposed project to pass and Ammon has done nothing but annex and build. Apparently, one county commissioner told those in charge of Iona to watch and learn with what is coming up. I'm thinking there could be some rough meetings initially with BMPO as not everyone is happy with Ammon's lack of reigning in any projects. And never does Ammon talk about how they will pay for stoplights etc.

What road leading to or from did Ammon pay for alone? I'm not aware of any. And developers are trying to develop all the land they can. I mean like all the housing projects that are awaiting approval.

I agree, Theotherdude, the bridge is for Sandcreek. I don't know where the dividing lines for cities are on Lincoln. Maybe the bridge was either the easiest way as a natural divider so Ammon and all others in BMPO can start planning today how they will pay for all they will be funding. Idaho Falls will pay only for I.F. Or the County has saved the money and want to build their portion before it costs more as there are more things happening east on Lincoln.

We'll see if Ammon remains the cheaper alternative when they start paying for all the I.F. City Services they get and currently pay nothing to receive. It's not just roads, things like not paying for paramedic service. No. Bingham County and So. Jefferson County pay to receive the same. Theotherdude raises legitimate questions IMO, but why should 8B start anything with First Street? What is the County's vs. Ammon's cover?

I don't want to write more currently except to say maybe starting the BMPO process now, cities will have figured out how to pay for their portions of what needs built soon.

I doubt there would be federal funding for Lincoln, but of course I could be wrong. And sometimes odd grants are available. Perhaps Ammon needs to check out for which, if any grants they qualify. Unlike some roads on the west side that are heavily traveled by INL and Federal Gov't, I can't think of what would be viewed the same on Lincoln.

I agree IFGuy, this stuff has to get fixed soon and Ammon can't keep approving 150 unit developments and the benefits of the growth while not paying for the road infrastructure.
Out of all the road projects that share city boundaries, Ammon paid for a wee bit of Sunnyside and a wee bit of Hitt. The rest was state, federal and Idaho Falls.

I could imagine that the state could chip in on Ammon Road seeing it is a state highway north of US26 but it would have to be deemed a state highway south of there.

I wonder if Ammon were to try to bond out road construction it would have to go before all citizens of 8B, therefore putting the cost back onto Idaho Falls residents as well.

Idaho Falls has been doing a fairly decent job lately of taking care of needed projects and even getting ahead in some cases.

Maybe Ammon needs to take out some loans and tax the city residents a bit for once...like the old saying goes, you can sh*t in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.
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Old 01-11-2016, 03:54 PM
 
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Its evident that once upon a time ammon did ammon rd from 17th to sunnyside, and possibly 17th as well? Anyone here recall? Or was that state & federal as well?

Anyone know any ball park figures on timing of old butte raod? The connectivity would probably spur westside development, particularly provide a boost to the sunnyside/116 area.
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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Just to clarify, I looked very briefly at the BMPO map. I think I've forgotten that the northern road for the inner belt (has a new name) is 4900 N. to Iona Road. Lincoln isn't involved except the intersection of Ammon and Lincoln. So whatever changes happen on Lincoln are to help move traffic more efficiently, but this will happen prior to the Iona Road becoming five lanes. There will be eventually a five lane Lincoln and a five lane Iona Road. I find that interesting as the two roads are next to each other, as far as roads go.

Besides the three of us, most people must be bored to tears reading this stuff.

Agree IFGuy, Ammon can apply for lots of grants and funding. I saw a partial list glancing at BMPO to check the north inner belt road. But it has to be Ammon, not 8B or I.F. I don't know if Ammon bonds that I.F. residents would share the taxes. I think the 8B commissioners may have stronger messages, or at least they get heard now, about who has responsibility for what. It is time for this BMPO update to start !
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