01-19-2016, 02:54 PM
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As an ex Utahan, I never had a problem with the Mormons, but I lived in Moab that was turning more left everyday; thus one of the reasons I left since the area was being destroyed by their ideas. (MY opinion!)
And reading the UT forum there are a lot of people asking about living in smaller UT cities and how they and their children will be treated by LDS and there is a lot of negativity in regard to how they could be treated. And I have a friend who is from the Cedar City area, and he is the first to say, in small UT towns, you will not be included in a lot of functions unless you belong.
But to get back on subject....
You might want to look at some of the towns around the Pocatello area that will allow you to commute into Pocatello for work. You have basically all the necessities in Pocatello such as Walmart, Cosco, CAL ranch, Lowes, Home Depot and coming soon Hobby Lobby and Popeyes chicken.
Can't answer if there are any LE or security jobs in the area, and only vet facility which I believe is a small facility on the south side of town.
You could also look at the American Falls area since due to I86, is not far from Pocatello or the big shopping areas.
I do have a LDS church down the street and yes, I was getting hassled on a monthly basis with the knock on the door; but a few months ago, I put them on record to not come back again and let their buddies know. Plus I posted some signs on the door and it worked great. But can't speak for how the kids might be welcomed since that is one thing I no longer have.
Good luck on where ever you end up....
01-19-2016, 03:14 PM
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Thank you much for your feedback f5fstop. It is appreciated. I will look into Pocatello. I came here to get positive feedback and am thankful for your honesty. Any other actual feedback about great, bad, ok areas is greatly welcomed.
01-19-2016, 04:13 PM
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Don't worry about the religion thing; worry about jobs.
In Idaho, jobs are first, last and everything in between.
By the way, if you kids get to a certain age and like to party, they'll instantly befriend the LDS kids. Speaking from experience, the craziest and worst partiers in high school were the LDS kids.
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Don't worry about the religion thing; worry about jobs.
In Idaho, jobs are first, last and everything in between.
By the way, if you kids get to a certain age and like to party, they'll instantly befriend the LDS kids. Speaking from experience, the craziest and worst partiers in high school were the LDS kids.
Vandals,
I couldn't agree with you more. One of my points in an earlier post was about employment in small areas. Employment security is what is needed by anyone who moves, then other wants can be addressed. F5f may have a good suggestion about American Falls, but I think jobs would be in Pocatello or Chubbuck. I don't know the round trip mileage. Any guesses, f5f? Power County is about 7 or 8K on the 2014 census.
I'd say INL with all the new programs coming, but a small enough area to live would be Butte County and I can't recommend that as it was the county losing population the fastest. Very likely that will change as INL is hoping to add another 500-650 jobs by fall. That on top of 500 new ones last year, some will be moving to Butte County.
Or maybe Rupert, but I don't know the job situation there.
Vandals, if you didn't see it click the link I posted on page 1. Cool to see that happening.
Great story, Vandals
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01-19-2016, 05:19 PM
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Come to Idaho you will be welcomed here.
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Twenty minutes from downtown (if you can call it a downtown
) American Falls to I-86 and Yellowstone ave. That's basically the shopping district that is primarily in Chubbuck, but is just across the street from Pocatello. Add another ten minutes to downtown Pocatello and the University.
MSR is right, probably a lot more chances for LE jobs in Pocatello/Chubbuck area, with not only the local police and/or the sheriff, but also the ISU campus police that can be used as a jumping point to city or country LE jobs.
Also, as an ex vet you might want to see if there are any government jobs in the area or other areas of ID (or AZ if that is the final decision). Since ID is number two on the list for most Federal lands percentage in the US; there are a lot of government jobs. BLM has a district office in ID falls and a field office in Pocatello.
Also a district office in Twin Falls and a field office I know in Shoshone ID (maybe more). And I know the ID BLM district office is also in the same building with the forest service as is the Pocatello office.
And there are talks about a large National Monument north of here, which means it will most likely fall under BLM (might be NPS); hopefully if it ever happens it is the BLM.
As a vet, you have hiring priority with the government....
So check out
https://www.usajobs.gov/
As for hunting, per the hunters I have met, it is a great state for hunting. I don't hunt anymore since the Federal government took away my authority
so no personal experience.
But I'll say one thing, I looked seriously at AZ prior to retiring to ID and they are very different states. Northern AZ, in the higher altitudes are quite nice, but generally very expensive. The desert areas in the eastern part of the state are, in my opinion, too plain, and I actually love deserts. The only large city I found to be nice in AZ is Tucson, but an expensive place to live. Phoenix and the suburbs are just too crowded, again my opinion.
But most of the cities in the south and eastern parts of ID are just hours away from mountains and some fantastic camp grounds and scenery (Stanley ID is just four hours away from Pocatello), and if these are not enough, the wind river area of WY is just three hours away, Yellowstone about 2.5 hours, etc. It is a great state to get away for a weekend or weeks and just relax. One of the main reasons I moved here.
And the property values are low (in this area) as compared to some other states, with low property taxes. Income taxes...that's another story, but not the worse in the country by all means.
Electric and gas rates are very low compared to states I have lived in.
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01-19-2016, 08:06 PM
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Hi, Vet…
The thing is; the smaller the town, the more likely any child may have a hard time if they don't belong to the dominant religion, no matter what the religion is.
It's true that Mormons in small towns that are close to 100% LDS that the kids may be excluded to some degree, but the exact same truth will be found in the Bible belt, all the strongly Catholic cities in the upper mid-west, all the highly Lutheran cities where the Germans settled, etc. In all, the church always serves as much as a social center as a religious center. It's often the only center in town for the purpose.
I'm not LDS, but I'm a native and was raised among them. I live in Idaho Falls, which has a lot of LDS; this area was originally settled by them, the Baptists and the Presbyterians. All have had churches here from the very beginning, and none of the folks I know, young or old, ever had any exclusion troubles at all.
There are a lot of social activities that go on in the LDS churches; they have social organizations for members of every age and gender, but a person does not need to be a member to join almost all of them. My daughter joined a Catholic Brownie troop when she was little, and one son joined an LDS Cub Scout troop. Neither were excluded, and neither had any pressure put on them to join the respective church where the meetings were held.
If, for example, you wife would like to join a quilting club, and if you choose a small, mostly LDS town, she would be welcomed. She might not understand some of the conversation between the other ladies, but she wouldn't be ostracized.
There are some social organizations the LDS don't join. The Masonic Lodge is one, but there are others, like the Elks and Eagles, where LDS join alongside folks of other faiths, and once a member, they are Elks, just like all the others.
In school, your kids would probably be as confused as your wife when they heard about Primary activities going on in the local ward, but they wouldn't be outcasts by any means. If your kids used California slang, that might cause some criticism from other kids, though, especially stuff like hand signs or other stuff kids do down there. If you and your kids have a heavy accent of some kind, that, too, may be criticized by the local kids.
That's how kids are everywhere. Fitting in is always rough at first, period. It can't be avoided, especially in a small town. If you chose to live in one of our larger cities, this wouldn't be much of a problem.
A person doesn't need to actually live in many of our cities to be able to send the children to schools in them. Bonneville county, my county, extends in part all the way northeast to the Wyoming border, almost 80 miles away, and southeast to the Bingham county border, about 40 miles. Within that area, anyone living on a farm still sends their children to schools here. I'm sure other districts are similar.
One other important thing to consider: Here, the Mormon faith is very old and established. Like any other faith, there are as many of them who don't attend church regularly as in others, members who haven't gone to church at all, and the true-blue believers whose lives center around their church.
Despite what you may believe, there are lots of Mormons who drink alcohol and coffee, swear like sailors, chew tobacco, and are generally non-religious. Just like other faiths. And they are everywhere, throughout Idaho.
Utah is the same. Wyoming is the same. W. Montana is the same. The Mormons settled early in all of them, just as they did in northern California.
If you move here, you'll find it out for yourself soon enough. One thing not to expect is trying to make them fit into your expectations that you will naturally bring with you. They won't. It will be up to you to bend, not them. And that is also true everywhere here. Our culture in general here is different from California, and both have their own goods and bads.
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People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)