08-26-2009, 08:57 PM
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Toyman,
I just about choked to death when I read your post. Here is what we do. Fill my PODS with wolves and we can let them lose in Boise. We can watch the news that night and see headlines such as Wolf eats poodle in public park, news at eleven.
Several wolves seen chasing patrons out of latte bar, no injuries reported.
Keep up the good work Toyman.
08-27-2009, 12:08 PM
Location: Boise
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Fisherman 100
Toyman,
I just about choked to death when I read your post. Here is what we do. Fill my PODS with wolves and we can let them lose in Boise. We can watch the news that night and see headlines such as Wolf eats poodle in public park, news at eleven.
Several wolves seen chasing patrons out of latte bar, no injuries reported.
Keep up the good work Toyman.
funny that you have snide remarks against "the city" and it's population.. yet are apparently an advocate of living away from "us city people" yet rely on infrastructure and services and comforts of civilization in spite of living out in the middle of nowhere...
quite comical indeed....
08-27-2009, 02:18 PM
Location: Emmett Idaho
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boiseguy
funny that you have snide remarks against "the city" and it's population.. yet are apparently an advocate of living away from "us city people" yet rely on infrastructure and services and comforts of civilization in spite of living out in the middle of nowhere...
quite comical indeed....
RELAX Boiseguy.
The thought of Fisherman's JOKE statement made me smile a bit thinking of the outcome.
It was humorous as it was intended to be
08-28-2009, 01:55 PM
Location: outnabout
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posted on 10 / 13 / 2008 in the Idaho forum
NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED !!!!
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Having read all the posts here, it is the SAME opinions repeated on any forum on the web, that discusses the 'wolf'.
My observation...there are always two sides taken. Those that want to protect the cute wild dog, and those that want to manage the mangy critter.
It is obvious where some of you fit in.
I believe the reintroduction was/is a blunder. In hindsight, it should have been a better plan.
You must understand the natural instinct of a wolf.
First, he is a killer.
Second, he is nomadic because he is terratorial.
The feds put him in Yellowstone (National Park) aka Federal Property
He didn't stay put. He has migrated to Idaho Wyoming Montana Utah Colorado maybe more. Now he has become a problem for those states that didn't want him to begin with.
Like it or not, he will have to be managed, just like everything else in the ecosystem.
I would like to see one in the 'wilds' of Yellowstone, but I like seeing the elk, too.
There will have to be a balance, but not 'natures' way. Just won't work.
You can get all worked up over it, or just get it thru your head that there needs to be give & take from both sides.
Don't you people have firewood to chop?
winter's a comin
08-28-2009, 02:08 PM
Location: Lakeside
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posted on 10 / 13 / 2008 in the Idaho forum
NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED !!!!
Never mind...not worth it.
08-28-2009, 11:27 PM
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Trying to learn here, rather than take sides, living in Suburbia 1500 miles away...I have a question which I'm sure sounds incredibly stupid to you guys who are hunters (which I'm not, though I like to go plinking!
) Sorry to sound ignorant (and I'm probably not even using the proper vocabulary), but can somebody please enlighten me and explain the policy behind ID Fish and Game setting up a goal of "harvesting" up to 220 wolves, and issuing 2,500 tags? I realize that not all tags sold will result in a kill, but why the huge difference in the numbers?
Is it just a matter of revenue for the state? The early bird gets the worm, and 2280 hunters get nothing? Is that the way it works?
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/24/wolf-hunting-tag-go-sale-today/
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Tags also are being sold online and at Fish & Game offices and private vendors statewide, wherever Idaho big game tags are sold. By noon, the state had sold about 2,500 wolf tags, officials said.
08-29-2009, 06:52 PM
Location: Boise burb
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They are issuing that many tags because they have a very realistic expectation of hunter success rates. Tags are cheap, and will in most cases be a "just in case" item for guys who were already going to be in the woods with a rifle, and want to shoot a wolf... and a few who will want to try to call one into range (good luck). In short... it's an easy F&G choice to make money, and manage effectively by selling unlimited tags with a very... I repeat VERY limited harvest.
08-29-2009, 07:46 PM
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Elk aren't native? Then why are we worried about them? To benefit hunters?
Do you live in Idaho?
Way back in 1978 I was writing a managment plan for a large acreage under Federal management. Well, one of the local politicians, a Democrat, of all things did not take kindly to my management plan. One of the objectives of the plan was to increase the elk herd. Well, old Cy thought that might reduce the timber harvest for his local mill.
So Cy said he was against the plan. I looked Cy in the eye and said " Cy, are you going to run against elk in north Idaho?". Cy started to hem and haw and finally said well I guess the plan is ok.
I would rather run against GOD in north Idaho than elk.
When push came to shove in Idaho in 1978 elk were more important than anything else.
I guess all things change. Wolf changed elk in Yellowstone and will do the same in Idaho. But before the fires in the early 20th century changed the habitat in north Idaho and the good paying jobs in the timber industry provided the hunters......it did not matter.
08-29-2009, 08:13 PM
Location: Lakeside
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509
Do you live in Idaho?
Why, yes...I do.
Question for you now: Can you read?
Because I was referencing an earlier post by Ejay who claimed that elk were not native to Idaho. Understand?
It's always helpful to read the entire thread before posting smart alek responses.
08-29-2009, 09:02 PM
Location: The City of Trees
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I do not have a problem with wolves but have a problem that a non native more agressive wolf species was introduced into the state; not re-introduced, but introduced. Go to Sun Valley and ask anybody what they think about the packs of
Canadian wolves that patrol the mountains and backyards of the Wood River Valley, and you might be surprised at their passionate reactions.
One thing people need to realize too, the people who enjoy hiking in the Sawtooth Mountains and the White Cloud Mountains, is that aggressive grizzly bears, the ones who have attacked humans in Yellowstone Park are trapped and many times released into the Idaho wilderness. Watch out for those bears who have tasted human blood and watch out for the mean Canadians.
Wolves of course
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Is it just a matter of revenue for the state? The early bird gets the worm, and 2280 hunters get nothing? Is that the way it works? 
