Support Comprehensive Immigration Reform? Please answer my question: (green card, illegal immigrants, law)
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If you support the Democrats Comprehensive Immigration Reform I wonder how you answer this question:
If Obama lets the 12-20 million illegal immigrants who are here now stay and eventually get US Citizenship part of his plan is to allow all of them work legally in America while they go through the process. I suspect US Citizenship is the the goal of most of them, just being able to live and work here legally is what is important. So after the Comprehensive Immmigration Law is passed, the 12-20 million illegal aliens can apply for a job almost everywhere and legally be able to work. The proposed law will give everyone who was in America the day the bill is signed a temporary work permit. Now the current illegals will have no worry about fake documents, or being deported, or living in the shadows. Just by being here at the right time they now have legal rights to be in America and work. This would put them in the position over a billion people in the world would love to be in but can't because they are not able to make it into America illegally.
So my question to people who support Comprehensive Immigration Reform is: what do we do about the illegal immigrants who come after the law granting the current illegals residency and working rights? Of course the devil is in the details!
Ronald Reagan's 1986 Amnesty was supposed to be only for illegals who had been in the country for 5 years (the bill passed passed in Nov 1986 and was supposed to only cover those in country since January 1 1982). Unfortunately implementation was a mess, many fraudulent applications were knowingly approved, and employer sanctions were not enforced.
I suspect any new plans will be similar (must be in the country for x years) but must have better fraud checks, enforce deportation of those not eligible, and really enforce employer sanctions. For those eligible - let them stay and work - but a really long (or no) path to citizenship so they can't sponsor more relatives with their new status.
It seems to me since so many are paid 'under the table,' or work with fake or stolen documents, it would be next to impossible to prove who's been here the required number of years, and who hasn't. How would they ever verify whether someone was eligible, or not?
Any form of amnesty will just lead to more illegal border crossings. If and when those here are given green cards, or amnesty, find out they can demand higher wages, and benefits, employers will encourage a whole new group of illegal aliens, who can't complain about working conditions, to enter the country illegally, and fill those jobs.
The only deterent to illegal immigration is strict enforcement of the laws.
It seems to me since so many are paid 'under the table,' or work with fake or stolen documents, it would be next to impossible to prove who's been here the required number of years, and who hasn't. How would they ever verify whether someone was eligible, or not?
Any form of amnesty will just lead to more illegal border crossings. If and when those here are given green cards, or amnesty, find out they can demand higher wages, and benefits, employers will encourage a whole new group of illegal aliens, who can't complain about working conditions, to enter the country illegally, and fill those jobs.
The only deterent to illegal immigration is strict enforcement of the laws.
Absolutely! In addition, we have no idea how many are actually here. The government underestimated the number of illegals during the last amnesty, and they know darn well there are more than 12 million here now. I daresay, CA probably has 12 million illegals alone. As far as we know, there could be 30 or 40 million illegals in this country.
Furthermore, I am sick of hearing that they will be required to learn English, pay a fine/back taxes, and be placed at the end of the line. What the government doesn’t say, is this will only be required IF they eventually want citizenship. CIR will grant them immediate legalization -- no back of the line, no fine, no back taxes, no English. . . just the legal right to remain here and continue to bleed the system dry.
Absolutely! In addition, we have no idea how many are actually here. The government underestimated the number of illegals during the last amnesty, and they know darn well there are more than 12 million here now. I daresay, CA probably has 12 million illegals alone. As far as we know, there could be 30 or 40 million illegals in this country.
Furthermore, I am sick of hearing that they will be required to learn English, pay a fine/back taxes, and be placed at the end of the line. What the government doesn’t say, is this will only be required IF they eventually want citizenship. CIR will grant them immediate legalization -- no back of the line, no fine, no back taxes, no English. . . just the legal right to remain here and continue to bleed the system dry.
It is like a never ending nightmare of people who come here just to part Americans from their money without paying back into the Society in any meaningful amount.
No, they don’t. Of course, there’s a huge difference between citizenship and legalization, but the emphasis is placed on a “path to citizenship.” Without that component, they realize the bill is nothing but blanket amnesty. Since the majority of citizens oppose amnesty, they feed us the citizenship BS to give the appearance of illegals actually “earning” something.
With the passage of CIR, illegal aliens will first become legalized. Then, they will become eligible for the touted “path to citizenship.” However, we will never hear Obama or any proponent of CIR even broach the issue of illegals earning a “path to legalization” because there is no path. It’s a “gift” for violating our laws.
Why would they even need citizenship if they can get everything they want simply through legalization?
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No one here that supports CIR who wants to describe how the details will be worked out?
Did you expect them too?? ,,I didn't.
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