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The question that kept going through my mind while reading the thread is, "How do they hope to get anything done in 2012 when they should not be able to vote since they are undocumented?" What am I missing here? Whole thing sounds crazy.
I believe in December Gallup found that 54% of the US population supports the Dream Act. And Rasmussen found 52% supported its goals in September.
So the illegal kids can win if the can get past the blocks the Repubs create. It is a nice issue for the demos...they get another couple of percent of the vote that would otherwise have tended to go Repub.
The kids will win in the end. Make take a while though.
Why do groups such as illegal immigrants talk about what THEY are going to do as if us LEGAL residents and citizens are just going to sit around and be OK with them trying to demand what we already have: rights, citizenship and access to the things that come with being legal in this country? It's all find and dandy that they feel that they have so much to fight for, but don't they realize that what they are trying to gain will eventually take from us? It just seems very backwards and almost laughable that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, people who basically have very few rights here (no matter how different they'd like to think) are threatening the very government that is supposed to be protecting us from people such as illegal immigrants who wish to gain that which is ours. They have some grace period right now while people sit around and let them talk (unfortunately), but they are going to keep this up and more people are going to be annoyed by their demands that are asking for too much.
They have no basis for their "fight." They are at the mercy of our government and the legal residents acceptance of the fact that they are here only because their parents lied and barged their way through our immigration process. It is that blunt, they are in NO position to make demands, yet, they act like they are. So confused they are (Yoda voice), lol.
I believe in December Gallup found that 54% of the US population supports the Dream Act. And Rasmussen found 52% supported its goals in September.
So the illegal kids can win if the can get past the blocks the Repubs create. It is a nice issue for the demos...they get another couple of percent of the vote that would otherwise have tended to go Repub.
The kids will win in the end. Make take a while though.
About those polls and surveys, I wonder if people know what they are really voting on in them? Like, the way they ask the questions on those surveys is very general and blanketed. However, if those very same people that were asked read The Dream Act proposal and knew the background of it, would they vote the same? I don't think so, it would make the poll show that more people are less supportive of what it really is and will mean for the future instead of a simple question of: "Do you think illegal immigrant youth should be put on a 'path' to citizenship if they serve in the military?" That is the question that I mostly see in those polls. The educational aspect of the bill is downplayed, it's the military aspect of it that is emphasized. People are very emotional when they hear military, understandably and rightfully so. They visualize people fighting on the front lines and explosions. They see the Army and Marine commercials, young men and women disciplined and ready to go to war, so they say, "Yeah! If they are going to go through that, sure!" But, do those polls mention that it is for only two years or do the polls mention the possible ramifications down the road of giving potential legal status to hundreds of thousands of people? Do the polls mention how the bill could make fraud more possible and all the loops that could happen?
That's why I don't understand how we as registered voters and citizens allow our politics to be influenced by polls or surveys that are not very thorough and don't represent the complete truth of a bill. Even the President says in his words after the Senate rejected the bill that "even though most Americans agree with this bill, the Senate did not vote for common sense." I thought, "Really Mr. President? Is this bill what the American people really answered 'Yes' in agreement with? Or did they answer some general question and you are now making it look like they completely agree with The Dream Act?"
About those polls and surveys, I wonder if people know what they are really voting on in them? Like, the way they ask the questions on those surveys is very general and blanketed. However, if those very same people that were asked read The Dream Act proposal and knew the background of it, would they vote the same? I don't think so, it would make the poll show that more people are less supportive of what it really is and will mean for the future instead of a simple question of: "Do you think illegal immigrant youth should be put on a 'path' to citizenship if they serve in the military?" That is the question that I mostly see in those polls. The educational aspect of the bill is downplayed, it's the military aspect of it that is emphasized. People are very emotional when they hear military, understandably and rightfully so. They visualize people fighting on the front lines and explosions. They see the Army and Marine commercials, young men and women disciplined and ready to go to war, so they say, "Yeah! If they are going to go through that, sure!" But, do those polls mention that it is for only two years or do the polls mention the possible ramifications down the road of giving potential legal status to hundreds of thousands of people? Do the polls mention how the bill could make fraud more possible and all the loops that could happen?
That's why I don't understand how we as registered voters and citizens allow our politics to be influenced by polls or surveys that are not very thorough and don't represent the complete truth of a bill. Even the President says in his words after the Senate rejected the bill that "even though most Americans agree with this bill, the Senate did not vote for common sense." I thought, "Really Mr. President? Is this bill what the American people really answered 'Yes' in agreement with? Or did they answer some general question and you are now making it look like they completely agree with The Dream Act?"
Look it up...The question is fairly asked. And it features both military and college.
Why should we citizens be pleased that a minority Republican group can prevent our desires from becoming law?
Look it up...The question is fairly asked. And it features both military and college.
Why should we citizens be pleased that a minority Republican group can prevent our desires from becoming law?
This stuff works both ways...
Look what up? I've seen the polls, it is exactly like I said, they don't explain everything about The Dream Act so it is not a fair representation of how "Americans" feel.
It's not "our" desires when the polls are not representing the truth.
That's not going to work, I'm sorry, it is a MANIPULATIVE tactic (by both sides) to present a poll and act as if it is the end-all-be-all of a discussion.
Look it up...The question is fairly asked. And it features both military and college.
Why should we citizens be pleased that a minority Republican group can prevent our desires from becoming law?
This stuff works both ways...
Is it though? Does the question also explain how we expect so much more of the children of legal immigrants to attend college in the USA?
Does the question explain that for every job an illegal takes its one less for legal citizens?
Does the question explain that the illegal doesn't have to graduate?
Does it even begin to explain that this bill gives a free pass to illegals who have committed such crimes as ID theft and tax evasion? ( Just to name a few crimes.
So no I don't believe that it was fairly asked. It was sugar coated.
Should the citizens have been pleased when the majority congress forced obama care upon a nation when at the time 57% of us were against it?
Is it though? Does the question also explain how we expect so much more of the children of legal immigrants to attend college in the USA?
Does the question explain that for every job an illegal takes its one less for legal citizens?
Does the question explain that the illegal doesn't have to graduate?
Does it even begin to explain that this bill gives a free pass to illegals who have committed such crimes as ID theft and tax evasion? ( Just to name a few crimes.
So no I don't believe that it was fairly asked. It was sugar coated.
Should the citizens have been pleased when the majority congress forced obama care upon a nation when at the time 57% of us were against it?
Thank you.
And that's why I say these polls and surveys don't mean a damn thing with an issue as serious as this. When you think about what you and I just said, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "It's just a poll ..." which means why are we using polls to justify The Dream Act? It almost seems very amateur and petty to even consider such a poll and to hear the President refer to it in his post-vote statement about The Dream Act.
I believe in December Gallup found that 54% of the US population supports the Dream Act. And Rasmussen found 52% supported its goals in September.
So the illegal kids can win if the can get past the blocks the Repubs create. It is a nice issue for the demos...they get another couple of percent of the vote that would otherwise have tended to go Repub.
The kids will win in the end. Make take a while though.
Links to these polls?
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