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Old 01-15-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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I always have to wonder exactly why it is that schools are not allowed to ask immigration status, especially as they can't BE denied an education in K-12 years. Colleges and Universities are allowed to ask for status upon enrolment, so why all the secrecy in the K-12 sector?
Because we have a soft spot for illegal immigrant children. They are the shining light for the illegal immigrant family that wants to go unbothered in the United States of America. LOL

(I can't mock that too much because I LOVE children, ALL children and got a soft spot for them myself. But geez, this illegal immigrant issue in the schools is ridiculous. They're eating free or reduced lunch, need books, transportation, translators, teacher-attention. It's not just a couple, it's half a million here, a million there. While they are there, their parents are out somewhere working and then in January of the next year they get their tax money back and some money for their kids, the very same kids that are here illegally and in the schools using up the resources.)
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Old 01-16-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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That doesn't mean that a state or the federal government can't investigate the funding of such students.

You're reaching with this ...hard. They have EVERY right to investigate the status of a student to support the findings of funding, budgeting. That information could actually help a state predict the effect of illegal immigration on their school system's budgets. Texas is hit hard by illegal immigration, I think they kind of have the right to know.
The States[Texas included] can investigate till the cows come home. Are you telling me, you dont understand where School Funding in your district comes from. Funding for illegal children comes form the same source as your child's.

To what end the outcome? Other than having an understanding of the ..."already known" funding, what will change?

The Supreme Courts rulling allowing all childern, regardless of immigration status, an education... still stands. The Court did not say FREE education; meaning that the school district's Tax payer is picking up the bill for ALL children.

Im reaching?...
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Old 01-16-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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The States[Texas included] can investigate till the cows come home. Are you telling me, you dont understand where School Funding in your district comes from. Funding for illegal children comes form the same source as your child's.

To what end the outcome? Other than having an understanding of the ..."already known" funding, what will change?

The Supreme Courts rulling allowing all childern, regardless of immigration status, an education... still stands. The Court did not say FREE education; meaning that the school district's Tax payer is picking up the bill for ALL children.

Im reaching?...
If all of our states researched the costs of educating illegal alien children as I said before they could present it to the Supreme Court to deny any education at all to illegal alien children. Laws are changed all the time and with such compelliing evidence that it is bankrupting our states the Supreme Court could quite possibly rule in the state's favor. IMO, educating illegal alien children here in violation of our immigration laws is in direct conflict with our immigration laws itself.
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:34 PM
 
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The States[Texas included] can investigate till the cows come home. Are you telling me, you dont understand where School Funding in your district comes from. Funding for illegal children comes form the same source as your child's.
Texas state records show 92 percent of the state’s schoolchildren have Social Security numbers on file, indicating they are legally in the United States.

That means Texas cannot have more than 8 percent – about 400,000 illegal immigrant students – or spend more than $3.5 billion annually to educate them.

How many children of illegal immigrants are in Texas schools? | Colonel6's Blog

The Texas Education Agency reports that, during 2004-05, the average state and local expenditure per student was $7,085 (this excludes federal funds). Applying this figure to the estimated number of undocumented immigrant children in public schools, the Comptroller estimates that the cost of educating undocumented children in 2004-05 was slightly less than $957 million

Undocumented Immigrants in Texas

For the entire U.S.: The estimated costs of educating illegal aliens and their children exceeded 28.6 billion dollars in 2004.

Costs of Educating Legal & Illegal Immigrants

There is something radically wrong here and I despise the elitists who continue to say this is right.

Yes every child deserves a decent education... child = someone who is born in America from legal American citizens.

Only an elitist would continue to insist on educating illegal aliens and their spawn.

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Old 01-17-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Texas state records show 92 percent of the state’s schoolchildren have Social Security numbers on file, indicating they are legally in the United States.

That means Texas cannot have more than 8 percent – about 400,000 illegal immigrant students – or spend more than $3.5 billion annually to educate them.

How many children of illegal immigrants are in Texas schools? | Colonel6's Blog

The Texas Education Agency reports that, during 2004-05, the average state and local expenditure per student was $7,085 (this excludes federal funds). Applying this figure to the estimated number of undocumented immigrant children in public schools, the Comptroller estimates that the cost of educating undocumented children in 2004-05 was slightly less than $957 million

Undocumented Immigrants in Texas

For the entire U.S.: The estimated costs of educating illegal aliens and their children exceeded 28.6 billion dollars in 2004.

Costs of Educating Legal & Illegal Immigrants

There is something radically wrong here and I despise the elitists who continue to say this is right.

Yes every child deserves a decent education... child = someone who is born in America from legal American citizens.

Only an elitist would continue to insist on educating illegal aliens and their spawn.
Then your beef is with the Supreme Court of the United States of America...

Because as you read on Colonel6s' blog that the court case has already been decided. So with all this great information form colonel6s' blog what is to be done with this info? how does it change anything?
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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The States[Texas included] can investigate till the cows come home. Are you telling me, you dont understand where School Funding in your district comes from. Funding for illegal children comes form the same source as your child's.

To what end the outcome? Other than having an understanding of the ..."already known" funding, what will change?

The Supreme Courts rulling allowing all childern, regardless of immigration status, an education... still stands. The Court did not say FREE education; meaning that the school district's Tax payer is picking up the bill for ALL children.

Im reaching?...
Yes, you are reaching. You do not think that the findings won't be used to argue that illegal immigration is taxing the school system? Once they have their numbers they can then make that claim and that will support more efforts to reduce incoming illegal immigration.

You're not wanting to accept that finding the facts of these things will help shine some light on the cost of educating illegal immigrant children. Once again, a state has the right to know that.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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Then your beef is with the Supreme Court of the United States of America...

Because as you read on Colonel6s' blog that the court case has already been decided. So with all this great information form colonel6s' blog what is to be done with this info? how does it change anything?
Once again, you ask this question. Common sense is that a state can use this information to prove just how bad illegal immigration is costing them. They may not be able to remove a child because of their status, but they will use the newly-discovered information to argue to the federal government or other state agencies that they need help to REDUCE the incoming illegal immigrants. Or as Chicagonut said, to demand action on the federal level in regards to addressing current laws.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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We can add VA to the list. I expect others to follow suit. Clearly, illegal alien children are bankrupting states.

Fredericksburg.com - Bill lets schools check immigration - page 1 FLS
Don't forget Indiana.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Then your beef is with the Supreme Court of the United States of America...

Because as you read on Colonel6s' blog that the court case has already been decided. So with all this great information form colonel6s' blog what is to be done with this info? how does it change anything?
Now how did I know you were going to say that?

I was only following orders! The supreme's told me it was the law!

The supreme's ruling is wrong

We should make this a democratic decision.....

There should be a box on the IRS 1040 form, Amount to donate to educate the spawn of illegal aliens" instead of forcing states to pay for it.

And if there isn't much money? oh well, go south of the border....
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is why the state of Texas is doing the study. What do you know of the cost? Which State's study are you quoting from?


3rd party, independent studies are way better than anything biased by the State.


Pick any state and start adding the cost burden placed directly and indirectly on that state by the illegal parasitic trespassers.
Then look at state shortfalls.
Even California adds up.
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