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And do you see anything wrong with that? Anything too restrictive?
Big deal, the employer is supposed to try to hire Americans first and pay a legal wage. And why the hell not? With unemployment rates as high as they are, exactly why should semi-trailer load after semi-trailer load of cheap illegal labor be brought in?
Benicar requested the USCIS and DOL sites where the limitations to H2A visas are noted... The post contains no opinion whatsoever...
Now, if you want my opinion on H2A, I think it is a good fair program. It is supposed to keep an eye on the wages paid to the H2A so that salaries of US workers do not get affected. I also agree that the employer should be forced to hire US workers during the H2A program, that procedure ensures that the program is not over-used/abused.
I was just thinking this. Why are you applauding them for? The majority of illegals that cross the border are MEXICANS. Why don't the Mexican authorities prevent Mexicans from crossing the border?
For the same reason Americans don't stop their own people from smuggling weapons to Mexico and then complain that Mexico is violent.
I am still surprised that there was a Japanese guy in there. Why?!
Because all those AKs and SKSs don't come through the US and the biggest portion of weapons originating from the US were either bought or given to the Mexican military. If they defected and kept their weapon, well, we can't blame that on the US.
Benicar requested the USCIS and DOL sites where the limitations to H2A visas are noted... The post contains no opinion whatsoever...
Now, if you want my opinion on H2A, I think it is a good fair program. It is supposed to keep an eye on the wages paid to the H2A so that salaries of US workers do not get affected. I also agree that the employer should be forced to hire US workers during the H2A program, that procedure ensures that the program is not over-used/abused.
You posted earlier that the government limits the number of H2A visas, which hinders legal immigration. However, you have still not provided info to support your assertion. Of course there are requirements and restrictions, but I don’t see caps on the numbers. If you don’t mind, please quote the section that states the government will only issue X number of H2A visas. I may have overlooked it. Thanks.
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There are also unskilled work visas, but those also require employment, are capped to a certain number and require the employeer to demonstrate the need for foreign workers, and do not offer a path for permanent residence.
In short, most of the illegals that cross have no practical way of getting to the US legally... I'm not saying is right, I'm just stating the fact.
You posted earlier that the government limits the number of H2A visas, which hinders legal immigration. However, you have still not provided info to support your assertion. Of course there are requirements and restrictions, but I don’t see caps on the numbers. If you don’t mind, please quote the section that states the government will only issue X number of H2A visas. I may have overlooked it. Thanks.
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I understand the limits and I agree that limits are necessary... I was just stating the fact that for a Mexican with no education there is pretty much no way to immigrate to the US
The US does admit more immigrants than any other nation, but for a un-educated Mexican there is simply no way to legally immigrate to the US...
The options are:
TN or H1B visas: Skilled workers, bachelors an up, who have to maintain employment at all times can apply for a green card, the process to get the green card and become a permanent resident in average takes 6-8 years
H2A & H2B visas: Un-skilled workers such as agricultural/construction etc. H2B is restricted to 10,000 year, with a 1 year permit (extendable upon approval by the DOL)... H2A(agriculture) depends on how many visas the DOL thinks are necessary...Using this visa you cannot request a green card. THe maximum amount of time an individual can stay with this visa is 3 years.
Marriage
Family: 1rst class: You need to be a minor whose parents are permanent residents or citizens. Or parents of a citizen (not legal resident)
2nd class: Brothers, sisters, adult sons & daughters... Can apply for a green card, the approval takes up to 6 years I believe (I might be wrong on the time in this one but it is several years)
If you know other way please tell me...
Actually there is a mistake there in the H2B cap, which is 33,000 per half of the fiscal year
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Untrue how? The employer has to demonstrate that there are no sufficient american workers, the DOL then takes the application from all the employers requested and sends the amount of H2A visas available to the consulates to start processing... So finally the DOL does decide the amount of H2A workers...
The DOL sets limits on the salary the employer has to pay to its workers, that is how he posts the job and receives applications from American workers, at the end of the hiring period he then requests X amount of temporary workers.
The DOL has the power to deny the application if it finds that American workers are indeed available. And actually it forces the employer to hire US workers during the period he requested for H2A workers...
You can see the section named "Recruitment of U.S. Workers" which lists what the employer has to do to demonstrate lack of workforce...
There is no X maximum number, but it is not an infinite number, is a practical number determined by how many workers are needed for agricultural jobs each year. According to some stats I found and the Wikipedia this number fluctuates around 30,000
Regardless of the number of these visas, these are non-immigrant visas, there is no path to permanent residence. The only visas that provide a path for permanent residence are the skilled work visas.
I know you are an open border advocate but this is my understanding of how things are today. Illegals caught by Border Patrol are not entitled to a hearing but are quickly processed for deportation.
Ok...you really know me, don't you? This is cyber space. I could careless what you think of me. At least you have the right info in the last sentence. Good for you!
Admittedly, I do not have firsthand knowledge of, or experience with, either illegal aliens or the deportation process, and I am thankful I don’t. However, are you actually suggesting that all of the reports, including those from DHS, ICE, and the Border Patrol are embellishments? If we deported according to your accounts, we would not have untold millions living here in violation of our laws, and there would be no need for debate, or so-called immigration reform.
Use the info/reports you have read about the above agencies to better comprehend the process.
In the bold: Having immediate deportation (which I support) or having an "entitled hearing" for most illegals (your claim), has nothing to do with the bold. Immigrants will keep trying to cross the border with or without that hearing until they are successful. After all, most of the stories they hear are stories of Americans offering them jobs. Why wouldn't they cross illegally?That is how we have "untold millions", not because of a hearing that allows them to stay. They know they do not have a case if they requested a hearing, so they accept their deportation. You must have a case...i.e. seeking asylum, or the judge will not hear your case. Simply stating, "I want a better life" is no where found on any law book. One must meet the qualifications.
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Furthermore, while I realize you have a personal relationship with illegal aliens, you do not personally know, nor are you privy to, the experiences of all, or even a fraction of the estimated 12-30+ million illegals in this country. Therefore, your knowledge and experience is limited to the illegals you have encountered, which hardly makes you an authority on our deportation process.
I never said I had any authority but I at least have a better understanding of the process. That is what one should do, particularly, when you are an activist.
A typical example - 18 people living in two run down mobile homes that burned down. Most here illegally of course -- and the Red Cross is using money donated to it to keep them here.
Malamute, you are off topic again. Benicar and I were discussing illegal immigrants detained while crossing the border and their deportation.
You posted an article on a family that is living in the US. They were not found attempting to cross, they were already established.
Actually there is a mistake there in the H2B cap, which is 33,000 per half of the fiscal year
There is no X maximum number, but it is not an infinite number, is a practical number determined by how many workers are needed for agricultural jobs each year. According to some stats I found and the Wikipedia this number fluctuates around 30,000
Regardless of the number of these visas, these are non-immigrant visas, there is no path to permanent residence. The only visas that provide a path for permanent residence are the skilled work visas.
In other words, contrary to your assertion, the government does not “cap” H2A visas. Therefore, there is no reason Mexicans cannot legally enter this country, if they so desire. If they are truly only interested in working to feed their families, permanent resident status or citizenship should be the least of their concerns. After all, the purpose of a “guest” worker program is to provide “temporary” employment, and nothing else should be expected.
Why do you believe we should grant permanent resident status and a path to citizenship to every Mexican who chooses to illegally enter this country, regardless of their benefit, or lack thereof, to this country?
Use the info/reports you have read about the above agencies to better comprehend the process.
In the bold: Having immediate deportation (which I support) or having an "entitled hearing" for most illegals (your claim), has nothing to do with the bold. Immigrants will keep trying to cross the border with or without that hearing until they are successful. After all, most of the stories they hear are stories of Americans offering them jobs. Why wouldn't they cross illegally?That is how we have "untold millions", not because of a hearing that allows them to stay. They know they do not have a case if they requested a hearing, so they accept their deportation. You must have a case...i.e. seeking asylum, or the judge will not hear your case. Simply stating, "I want a better life" is no where found on any law book. One must meet the qualifications.
I never said I had any authority but I at least have a better understanding of the process. That is what one should do, particularly, when you are an activist.
You CAN’T be serious. Perhaps you aren’t aware of the hundreds, if not thousands of “dismissed” cases without a hearing. How on earth can a judge determine ANYTHING without even hearing a case? How must an illegal “prove” his/her case if judges arbitrarily dismiss en masse?
Illegal aliens are here because our immigration laws are not being enforced, which creates a magnet for illegal immigration. And, deportation is simply a joke for most illegals. As you know, they generally return within days. You’re right -- why wouldn’t they come when it is common knowledge that they will be accommodated, especially if they give birth (which MOST do) on U.S. soil. The entire world knows our country has become a free-for-all.
Of course you have a better understanding of the process. Why wouldn’t you? By your own admission, some of your best friends are here illegally. Likewise, if I associated with drug dealers, I am sure I would have a better understanding of the ins and outs of the drug trade. However, I do not need to live with, or personally know illegal aliens to recognize our lax deportation process. After all, it has made us the laughingstock of the world.
As for my “activism,” all I need to know is that millions of foreigners are here without permission, and are fleecing taxpayers. I also need to know if laws are being proposed to both combat or entice illegal immigration. I don’t need to cavort with criminals to understand right from wrong, or whether laws are being enforced.
By the way, we are not discussing “immigrants.” They are here legally.
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