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Old 08-20-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But they hit a wall once they graduate because they are still not citizens and can't get jobs.
Now what do they do ?
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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But they hit a wall once they graduate because they are still not citizens and can't get jobs.
Now what do they do ?
Demand their "rights" to take high paying good jobs that Americans would like to have.

This all shows they aren't really coming to do the low paying hard work jobs Americans don't want to do. The whole image of humble farm workers is a big big joke.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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OTOH, it wasn't their fault that they were brought here. Might as well not bar them from higher education.
Immigration: Legal or not, these students deserve a chance - latimes.com
Obviously you don’t realize they aren’t being barred from receiving a college education. In fact, many are currently attending college. They want legalization, which is precisely what the DREAM Act offers. In addition, they would receive in-state tuition, work permits, and in some cases financial aid.

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It's not going to be free, where do you guys get this info? Anyway, haven't some states already started passing dream act type laws? Some of those states make them pay out of state tuition if I'm not mistaken.
Every state that passed their version of the DREAM Act offers in-state tuition. Moreover, several states offer illegals in-state tuition without passing a similar law.

States that give US in-state tuition (list) - DREAM Act Portal Forum
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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Demand their "rights" to take high paying good jobs that Americans would like to have.

This all shows they aren't really coming to do the low paying hard work jobs Americans don't want to do. The whole image of humble farm workers is a big big joke.
Only three percent of them were ever farm workers.

This is worse than amnesty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/opinion/toward-immigration-sanity.html?ref=opinion

The new policy ratifies an approach set forth in a recent memo from the director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, John Morton, on the agency’s use of “prosecutorial discretion.” The memo suggested that immigration enforcement officers and lawyers should move more aggressively against drug dealers, gang members, and other flagrant violators than against illegal immigrants who pose no danger. That would include people with clean records, those who came to the United States as children, the elderly, pregnant women, veterans, service members and those with serious illnesses or disabilities.

I love how they write pose no danger when they talk about people who want to take our tax dollars. Stealing isn't a danger?


So officials in this administration are basically saying the following:

If you are pregnant come here and we'll pay your medical bills.

If you are old come here and we'll finance your retirement.

If you have a serious illness come here and we'll pay for your medical care.

If you are disabled come here and get free money because you obviously can't work.

We're essentially telling the whole world that unless they kill, steal, mug or do drugs they can come here. Worse, they can come here and have their medical bills paid, their kids given a "free" education at public expense including through college and their parents granted retirement on the American taxpayer dime.

Obama is a lunatic. And I write that as a Dem who voted for him in the last election. He sends his kids to private schools and then opens our public schools to every moron who can cross a border.

He's going to lose the election with this policy. Worse, he's going to deserve to lose it. He's selling out the American middle class to pander to the Latino vote.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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But they hit a wall once they graduate because they are still not citizens and can't get jobs.
Now what do they do ?
Many Dreamies are currently working by using a stolen or fake SSN. I imagine after graduation, they will continue to resort to fraud, just like their criminal parents.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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Demand their "rights" to take high paying good jobs that Americans would like to have.
You mean their right to COMPETE for jobs. America is supposed to be a meritocracy, not a place where the good stuff is reserved for a superior class of people by virtue of their birth.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You mean their right to COMPETE for jobs. America is supposed to be a meritocracy, not a place where the good stuff is reserved for a superior class of people by virtue of their birth.
Why not stop this "superior" BS. No one has relegated illegal aliens to an inferior class of human being, and you know it. But, please explain why illegal aliens should have the “right” to COMPETE for U.S. jobs, particularly given our current rate of unemployment.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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Why not stop this "superior" BS. No one has relegated illegal aliens to an inferior class of human being, and you know it.
Are you serious? You're talking about one set of rights for US and another (seriously lesser) set for THEM. What exactly is the difference between that and a superior/inferior class distinction?

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But, please explain why illegal aliens should have the “right” to COMPETE for U.S. jobs, particularly given our current rate of unemployment.
Why should YOU have the right to prevent them from competing is the question you should be asking.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Are you serious? You're talking about one set of rights for US and another (seriously lesser) set for THEM. What exactly is the difference between that and a superior/inferior class distinction?



Why should YOU have the right to prevent them from competing is the question you should be asking.
Do you honestly not understand the difference between legal/illegal, or citizen/non-citizen? If you visit any country in this world, citizens are afforded certain rights and privileges denied non-citizens, and rightly so. And, we aren’t even discussing non-citizens with a legal presence. We are discussing foreigners who are here without authorization. So, please explain why foreign nationals, who have no legal right to even be here, should be entitled to compete for our jobs.

Tell me, do you allow anyone to enter your house? Or, must they first knock on your door and receive your permission?
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: California
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In state tuition does not equal FREE no matter how you slice it.
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