The nation’s cruelest immigration law - new york times editorial (medical, visas)
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Likewise, when I hire someone who happens to have been born over on the wrong side of an imaginary line, I'm not harming anyone else. Nobody else owns that job.
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Originally Posted by rhymetime
some people would like to use violence to exclude large numbers of people from that competition.
You might want to take that up with State and Federal Laws/Regulations. Since you own a business (within the USA), I know you are aware of the I-9 and the required documents needed in order to legally employee a person. It would appear that the US itself owns that job, you are simply supplying it and creating a federal income based on the taxes now owed for said employee. The cost of doing business.
You might want to take that up with State and Federal Laws/Regulations. Since you own a business, I know you are aware of the I-9 and the required documents needed in order to legally employee a person. It would appear that the US itself owns that job, you are simply supplying it and creating a federal income based on the taxes now owed for said employee. The cost of doing business.
It's a normative statement.
The fact that the government will send a bunch of guys with guns to stop me if I try to do certain things doesn't prove that the government "owns" that job anymore than someone who mugs me is the legitimate owner of my wallet.
Are you denying that Jim Crow policies were the law? Did the blacks who opposed them lack respect for our laws? Were the protesters who broke those laws not criminals?
FWIW, blacks were not "owned property" during Jim Crow. They chose to break those laws, did they not? As they should have, since they were unjust laws meant to artificially create a caste structure. Just like immigration laws.
I wouldn't equate rapists, murderers, and burglars with protesters who broke Jim Crow laws, no. Mostly because when Rosa Parks sits in the front of the bus she's not harming anyone, not in the legal sense of causing damages the way a murderer or rapist or burglar is. Likewise, when I hire someone who happens to have been born over on the wrong side of an imaginary line, I'm not harming anyone else. Nobody else owns that job.
Jim Crow Laws were at the State and Local levels (mostly in the Democrat southern states, unless you add in miscegenation laws), not at the Federal level. Big difference. SCOTUS has ruled that Jim Crow Laws were considered "private discrimination". Plessy vs Ferguson said Jim Crow laws were constitutional as long as they allowed for "separate but equal" facilities. State-sponsored school segregation was declared unconstitutional in Brown vs Board of Education, most of the the remaining State Jim Crow Laws were later outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
This, in no way equates to immigration laws (Federal laws) as Congress has full authority over regulating naturalization.
Jim Crow Laws were at the State and Local levels (mostly in the Democrat southern states, unless you add in miscegenation laws), not at the Federal level. Big difference. SCOTUS has ruled that Jim Crow Laws were considered "private discrimination". Plessy vs Ferguson said Jim Crow laws were constitutional as long as they allowed for "separate but equal" facilities. State-sponsored school segregation was declared unconstitutional in Brown vs Board of Education, most of the the remaining State Jim Crow Laws were later outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
This, in no way equates to immigration laws (Federal laws) as Congress has full authority over regulating naturalization.
LOL, no, sorry. The fact that group A is doing it instead of group B doesn't magically change the nature of the activity. The fact that group C once upon a time gave group A or group B approval to do those things doesn't really matter, either.
Again, this is a normative discussion. All of your points here are only relevant in a positive discussion.
Also, I'm curious to find out why you think it was relevant to point out that the southern states were predominately democrat-leaning at the time.
The fact that the government will send a bunch of guys with guns to stop me if I try to do certain things doesn't prove that the government "owns" that job anymore than someone who mugs me is the legitimate owner of my wallet.
It would have been "normative" had you worded it differently.
Possession is 9/10's of the law (this is an "expression"), it would be the muggers wallet unless you had witnesses or were able to prove that he took it.
The government would merely audit your I-9 and monthly (quarterly) tax payments, doubtful they would send armed guys, more like IRS and ICE agents.
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LOL, no, sorry. The fact that group A is doing it instead of group B doesn't magically change the nature of the activity. The fact that group C once upon a time gave group A or group B approval to do those things doesn't really matter, either.
Again, this is a normative discussion. All of your points here are only relevant in a positive discussion.
Also, I'm curious to find out why you think it was relevant to point out that the southern states were predominately democrat-leaning at the time.
You may consider them (yours) as "normative", when everybody elses arguments are in fact "positive".
Go ahead, tell me how unemployed Americans has anything to do with Christian charity and good will toward all.
Oh really, tell that to the idiot contractor that did work on my home last year, a huge huge remodeling project.
He bid too low on my project way too low, his fault not mine.
To save a buck, he hired illegal painters, carpenters, roofers, wallboard, electricians need i go on. Until i figured out what was going on, an illegal himself i mention this in another thread, told me how much he makes, and it is not peanuts. Maybe a bit less, but the contractor is also not paying taxes, nice ha. Give me a break, the illegal himself told me, that they have a easy life here, as long as Americans will keep on hiring them.
They do not all do jobs Americans will not due, i know some illegals who have pretty good jobs. A guy that does tile work and woodworking, he makes very good money, but again, pays no taxes, he has told me so. When i realized what the contractor was doing, wanted to see everyone's legal papers, the contractor and i had a bit of a problem. He knew from that point, the guys all had to go, and guess what they went, i did not want them doing work on my home. They painted like crap, could not for the life of them put wallboard on straight, their tile worked sucked, he had to bring all new guyes in that were citizens, or his butt was on the line. I had already made phone calls. Got all new guys, and yes they were citizens, but from that point on me and the contrator, did not see eye to eye. Actually he found out that my hubby and I knew more about remodeling then he did.
You may consider them (yours) as "normative", when everybody elses arguments are in fact "positive".
Really? No. Perhaps you should go look that word up. When people say "children of illegals should not be citizens," or "we should end wet foot/dry foot" or even "we should deport all illegals" they are making normative arguments whether they know it or not.
If everyone were making positive arguments there wouldn't be much to discuss. There is very, very little confusion about what the status quo is (though occasionally they are interesting only because you show how little understanding you have of how things actually are, eg:
Go ahead, tell me how unemployed Americans has anything to do with Christian charity and good will toward all.
Tell THAT to my American friends who CANT find any sort of job. If talkin bout ag work; maybe 3 per cent of illegal aliens do that.
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As an American Im AINT ashamd at chasing illegals away. 
If talkin bout ag work; maybe 3 per cent of illegal aliens do that.
