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Old 10-17-2011, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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First off the issue is resources - money. The immigration people deport as many people as they can given their resources. They have no trouble finding more illegals. But they have no resource to deal with them.

Money - resources - there isn't any to pay for close scrutiny.


First off where is it stated that the woman is illegal. Many such births occur to those here legallly.

There is no such thing as an automatic illegal immigration charge. The feds must prove that she entered the country illegally. They won't as it is difficult and costly.

Again money. It costs to get a finding of illegal entry. So immigration does not normally do so. They get the illegal to sign a voluntary which does not admit illegal entry.
You frequently mention limited resources as the primary obstacle for the enforcement of our immigration laws. If true, how can we possibly legalize untold millions given the enormous resources required to effectively implement such a huge program? Where will we get the resources to manage the process to ensure compliance? Remember, we have an abysmal track record even monitoring tourist and work visas, as evidenced by the high percentage of visas overstays.

Where will we get the resources to conduct background checks on untold millions, many whom have several aliases? In addition, how could we trust their countries of origin to provide accurate data on criminals they understandably would not want returned? Mind you, several countries have already refused to allow their miscreants to be repatriated after their release from our prisons.

CIR requires the payment of back taxes. Where will we get the resources to collect back taxes, or even determine taxable wages? Bear in mind, hundreds of illegals have been known to use the same SSN, and that number frequently belongs to an employed citizen. The IRS has already made several blunders by issuing tax refunds to ineligible or fraudulent tax filers. If they can’t handle that, how on earth will they handle this? CIR also includes a provision for installment payments for back taxes. Where will we get the resources to monitor that process to ensure payments are timely and compliant?

CIR requires illegals to get in the back of the line. If they’re truly required to wait until others have been processed, it will take years before most would even become eligible for legalization. After all, millions are already waiting their turn in their countries of origin, and their wait is lengthy due to a lack of resources to handle such a large volume of applicants. But, somehow they'll handle additional millions? C'mon.

Where will we get the resources to effectively secure our borders to prevent others from flocking to this country to enjoy the amnesty gift? Surely you understand the combination of amnesty and porous borders is a major factor for our current mess.

Legalizing untold millions is not as easy as you would like to believe. Nor would it be cheap. We can’t just wave a magic wand. It would require far more resources than we can afford, and far more resources than would be required to simply enforce our current laws. Why should we place such an unnecessary burden on the taxpayers of this country?

Clearly, when our laws are enforced at the state level, illegals flee to more hospitable environments. Imagine if we enforced our laws at the federal level. But, that would result in them actually leaving the country, and we can’t have that, can we?
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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Voting? Jury Duty? Holding certain political offices? That's the only things I can think of (and they are not common, daily occurrences) that would require proof of U.S. citizenship.

Legal residents can own guns, buy property, open accounts and credit cards, all without U.S. citizenship. Driver's licenses in all states are open to them as well. Perhaps you can clarify your statement as to where U.S. citizens are required to prove that status (and how).

There are U.S. citizens that have naturalized that will have foreign birth certificates. Putting an administrative process in place so that things are done in a timely manner (with some U.S. citizens also not having birth certificates, or being hard to locate one) before prosecution as a non-citizen (deportation; How do we determine the "home country" in some cases?) is unreasonable. What do we do in a case where a U.S. citizen is unlawfully detained or deported?
I am just going to comment on your last question. Under what circumstances would a U.S. citizen be "unlawfully" detained or deported?
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Do you know how expensive and impossible it is to deport all illegals? Do you know how expensive it is to build a fence along the border?
We're not too broke for the following:

1. Clarify the Fourteenth Amendment. It was ratified to give citizenship to the children of slaves, not foreign nationals. No tempting birthright American citizenship, less pregnant foreign nationals of EVERY ethnicity coming into America in order to give birth to an American citizen.

2. Heavily fine and imprison all employers found to have illegal aliens in their employ. E-verify should be MANDATORY!

3. No more benefits for illegal aliens. No citizenship--no WIC, no Medicare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, no medical care unless a life threatening emergency is in progress. No more freebies at the expense of American taxpayers--no more impetus to come to the U.S. illegally to live at the expense of hard-working citizens.

4. Legal residency must be proven before bank accounts can be opened, credit obtained, utilities turned on, and/or homes can be purchased or rented.

5. In this computer generation, it is ridiculous to believe that identity theft by Social Security number cannot be tracked. Hold accountable the thieves stealing American identities in order to work illegally in this country.

6. Secure our borders and enforce our current laws which would be perfectly workable if they were actually enforced.

Six simple steps and Voila! Deportation through attrition. Neither ICE nor the Border Patrol have to physically deport illegal aliens.

Do you reward your child for playing with matches? Your dog for peeing on your carpet? The thug down the street for breaking into your car and stealing your stereo?

No reward for illegal behavior.

No amnesty.

No compromise.

None.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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They have no trouble finding more illegals. But they have no resource to deal with them.
So cut off the welfare. Mandate provable citizenship or legal residency. Not something done in many states.

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First off where is it stated that the woman is illegal. Many such births occur to those here legallly.
From the way program is written. I don't know about where you live. In Oregon, a pregnant mother receives full medical benefits and there is a program called CAWEM that specifically covers illegal aliens.

Also, illegal parents can apply for welfare on behalf of their native born kids. A proper thing to do is to activate deportation on parents at this point.

There is no such thing as an automatic illegal immigration charge. The feds must prove that she entered the country illegally. They won't as it is difficult and costly.


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Others come for work, form families, and procreate.
That is what I mean by anchor babies.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:09 AM
 
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We're not too broke for the following:

1. Clarify the Fourteenth Amendment. It was ratified to give citizenship to the children of slaves, not foreign nationals. No tempting birthright American citizenship, less pregnant foreign nationals of EVERY ethnicity coming into America in order to give birth to an American citizen.

2. Heavily fine and imprison all employers found to have illegal aliens in their employ. E-verify should be MANDATORY!

3. No more benefits for illegal aliens. No citizenship--no WIC, no Medicare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, no medical care unless a life threatening emergency is in progress. No more freebies at the expense of American taxpayers--no more impetus to come to the U.S. illegally to live at the expense of hard-working citizens.

4. Legal residency must be proven before bank accounts can be opened, credit obtained, utilities turned on, and/or homes can be purchased or rented.

5. In this computer generation, it is ridiculous to believe that identity theft by Social Security number cannot be tracked. Hold accountable the thieves stealing American identities in order to work illegally in this country.

6. Secure our borders and enforce our current laws which would be perfectly workable if they were actually enforced.

Six simple steps and Voila! Deportation through attrition. Neither ICE nor the Border Patrol have to physically deport illegal aliens.

Do you reward your child for playing with matches? Your dog for peeing on your carpet? The thug down the street for breaking into your car and stealing your stereo?

No reward for illegal behavior.

No amnesty.

No compromise.

None.
But good luck getting that through washington on EITHER side of the aisle.

The sad thing thta we must realize is this....there will not be a candidate who steps up with common snese ideas such as this for one simple reason...they don't want to alienate the latino vote. It's a demograph that BOTH parties want a piece of, and they feel they cannot win without it.

think of it this way...If the dems already have 90% of the black vote, and let's say they have about 43% of the white vote....then if the republicans made a stand on getting rid of illegal immigrants they might alienate 90% of the latino vote....and that would not bode well for republicans in an election.

Sadly...the sovereignty of this country is being bargained for by VOTES. It isn't about what is RIGHT for LEGAL American citizens anymore...and it has nothing to do with our LAWS that are being broken every time an illegal successfully sneaks in here. It boils down to votes...and votes = POWER.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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Nonsense. The ferility rate goes down as they become assimilated. Happens every time.

And the fertility rate in Mexico is rapidly approaching that of the US. And note that the US could use a little increase in fertility. Need someone to pay when the present young generation gets to my age.

Perhaps you are suggesting that the US environment screws up these Mexican ladies and destroys their morals and good sense? Maybe but I doubt it.

Exactly what message is it you are trying to deliver?
Wrong. For one they aren't assimilating well, and the Mexicans living here in the USA are now having more babies than the people of Mexico.

Why? Food stamps, WIC, government housing, Medicaid. Back home the fertility rate is dropping because we're getting the subset of the most irresponsible.

In Mexico if one stays in school, finishes an education and obtains job skills, delays the start of a family until after a job, after marriage and limits family size to what he and she can afford, that family has a very good chance of joining the growing middle class.

If one doesn't choose that route, the easiest option is to make it to the USA to give birth and they never have to worry about working for a living again.

That's why we can't just go after employers of illegals, it's necessary to cut off all the many welfare programs and stop enticing them to come. It's estimated that a third of illegals are living off welfare handouts, that's a majority of the illegal women, many of them never came to work, or worked for the shortest time possible.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:33 AM
 
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Wrong. For one they aren't assimilating well, and the Mexicans living here in the USA are now having more babies than the people of Mexico.

Why? Food stamps, WIC, government housing, Medicaid. Back home the fertility rate is dropping because we're getting the subset of the most irresponsible.

In Mexico if one stays in school, finishes an education and obtains job skills, delays the start of a family until after a job, after marriage and limits family size to what he and she can afford, that family has a very good chance of joining the growing middle class.

If one doesn't choose that route, the easiest option is to make it to the USA to give birth and they never have to worry about working for a living again.

That's why we can't just go after employers of illegals, it's necessary to cut off all the many welfare programs and stop enticing them to come. It's estimated that a third of illegals are living off welfare handouts, that's a majority of the illegal women, many of them never came to work, or worked for the shortest time possible.
I believe the single most important thing that needs to happen in this country is changing birthright citizenship to curb illegal immigration.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Rescue beacons? Watering stations?
US Responsible for Border Crossers Deaths ?!? - Tech Support Guy Forums

When you have an infestation in your house, what do they tell you to do before you call an exterminator? Get rid of things that attract them or nourish them. The US should not be using money to rescue illegals.

Make a reasonable effort to keep them out, but if they wantonly ignore the signage or barricades, let 'em perish.

If we have signs by a pond warning alligator hazard and you disregard it, you're responsible for being stupid. Why can't the same be true for border jumpers?

Candidate clarifies stance on mining U.S.-Mexico border - The Santa Fe New Mexican
In fact, this isn't such a bad idea.


If we can afford to install water stations, beacons and pay for CBP to operate rescue operations, why can't we afford to setup a fence, mines and appoint the military to protect our border?

I don't see why it would be a problem to use landmines as long as its clearly marked as restricted zone and protected by mines on the fence. The fence doesn't need to be that secure. It just needs to be good enough to keep out someone from accidentally getting past it. If they disregard the signage and climb over, then get blown up by mines, it is their own fault.

I think that we have fulfilled our duty of care by putting up a fence that provides immunity to prevent unintentional entry. Those who cut the fence, climb over, etc knowingly expose themselves to hazards.
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Read up on landmines at Greece & Turkey. The minefields are adequately protected against entry. The only ones that get blown up are the trespassers that cut through the fence.

I read that its very efficacious. As long as we properly mark them and have a means of economically turning them off through remote controlled detonation, I don't see any issues with them. It's not like we'll be invading Mexico and installing mines there.

If anything the mines will get installed on US side and contained within fenced area. If they cut through the fence and get blown up to bits as shown effective in field case demonstration Greece, its the fault of the intruder.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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The federal government has always turned a blind eye to Illegal immigration
because the FARMERS hire lobbiest and contribute millions of dollars to campaigns.
This has been the case for 50 years!
Don't you all get it?
Nothing will change.
Regan gave them all amensity. Then did nothing to enforce the current laws.
Our government has done nothing to secure our borders or protect us!
It's the Feds job, but of course, they are all bought.
The states do it and there is so much outcry!
Employers hire illegals because they are cheap, cash wise.
They are the new slaves of the 21st century.
How much are you willing to pay for food? Be honest.
How much are you willing to pay for lawn service?
Everyone complains, no one ever does anything.
You can't mess around with the Constitution either.
If you are born here, you are an American citizen. Period. Forever.
Don't be upset with the illegals coming here and having babies.
Be upset because THEY CAN!!!!
Get it?
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