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So all the people Obama has deported in the last few years are simply a figment of my imagination?
All the ones who flee every time we enact a reasonable law in some state somewhere? Again all my imagination?
The woman has broken multiple American laws including forgery if she's working here when she has no right to so do. She's made all kinds of truly lousy life decisions including early out of wedlock childbearing to another lawbreaking foreign national as well as the decision to drop out of high school. You have made no argument why she should get to stay after making all kinds of dumb decisions. She's not an asset to our society and certainly not the sort of person we want or need here as she is likely to continue to pay little if anything in taxes and take a great deal from American citizens.
Really, Olecapt, for someone who is allegedly so anti-illegal, you sure don't write that way.
Well the administration deports 400,000. Net of new arrivals that is down a hundred thousand at best. So they will all be gone in 110 years. And if the economy picks up they won't do that well.
The state thing is your fervent imagination...your myth generator. Laws have had no substantial impact. States without new laws lost higher percentage than those with. A bad economy works well though. A good depression and more may leave.
The lady is one of the 11 million. Has a much better claim than most. So if we get to her then deport. What 50 or 70 years?
Well the administration deports 400,000. Net of new arrivals that is down a hundred thousand at best. So they will all be gone in 110 years. And if the economy picks up they won't do that well.
The state thing is your fervent imagination...your myth generator. Laws have had no substantial impact. States without new laws lost higher percentage than those with. A bad economy works well though. A good depression and more may leave.
The lady is one of the 11 million. Has a much better claim than most. So if we get to her then deport. What 50 or 70 years?
Thousands more have fled everytime we stop pandering to the illegal lobby and show some guts. Anything else is your own smug mythology. If you really want a bad economy just keep encouraging people like Ms. Have a Baby and Drop out of High School at Fifteen to come here and have more children they can only support with taxpayer dollars. Let her stay and invite her entire lawbreaking family to permanent residency. That'll do it. Because I want to encourage people like that to come here. Nothing says potentially great American like those break our immigration laws and do such a poor job of raising their children said children wind up at 25 with a GED and three kids they can't support.
And I feel sorry someone who is unable to remember who started what thread and resorts to personal attacks instead of answering someone's debate points. So I suppose we're even. Oh wait. I don't want to tax YOU so some badly educated Mexican national can breed up all the babies she wants with criminals at public expense.
If you want to be "nice" to foreign nationals who make bad life choices then do so with your money not mine. No one's stopping you. Go support this woman and her children yourself. This way you can feel good about yourself and even better that you're not making demands on others who don't have as big an allotment of humanity as you do.
Distortion seems to be another quality you possess. I'll debate with someone who isn't consumed with hate. You missed the point of my thread, you have also missed where I stand on illegal immigration. Clearly one must be totally against illegal immigration or totally support illegal immigration in your world.
Telling someone that they clearly demonstrate hate is not a personal attack. If it was perceived as such, the moderators would have removed it. Because someone doesn't agree with another person doesn't count as a personal attack. Because someone points out someone's hateful attitude that is clearly revealed in posts is not a personal attack. Maybe you have been carrying that hatred for so long you can't see it for what it is, as it has become a part of who you are. Personal attacks are not beneath you. You have mastered the art of how to get them into a post without them appearing to be a personal attack.
To keep the thread on topic: What do you refer to children born without the benefit of marriage to white teenagers and to those children born to adults who chose to have a baby and be a single parent? Are those children all bastards as you refer to them (which, BTW, is such an archaic term, and just to throw in another archaic term: paramour??) or are they the exception?
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It is clear that we do not have the ability to deport more than a few percentage of the illegals present. She would be relatively low on the list even if the kids are on welfare. The administration has suggested first the criminnal than the freshly arrived. I would think family groups would be last.
The father is apparently in jail on an immigration charge. So not neccessarily a law breaker.
Do you describe all those born out of wedlock as bastards? I thought the term has been mostly dropped as the number of illegitimate births has risen. Or do you reserve it for groups you hate? Many females would hold they have a right to have children when they chose whether married or not. Apparently you don't approve?
This woman should be at the TOP of the list. There is no evidence she's ever worked a day in her life, not a good job that an American would do, not a hard low paying job only an illegal would do. She didn't come here to improve herself after being smuggled in at age 11, it took her just 3 short years to become an unwed welfare mother.
This is the very LAST kind of illegal we need here. She's only here to scam the welfare system. What's going to be so different for her back home in her own country? She would have to think about working for a living, maybe using birth control, or consider marriage before having more kids.
And as far as being difficult to deport her -- since they already know right where she is and that she's here illegally cranking out welfare babies, it shouldn't be difficult to deport her, and they can deport her and the jailed father together, doing some of that family reunification.
Distortion seems to be another quality you possess. I'll debate with someone who isn't consumed with hate. You missed the point of my thread, you have also missed where I stand on illegal immigration. Clearly one must be totally against illegal immigration or totally support illegal immigration in your world.
Telling someone that they clearly demonstrate hate is not a personal attack. If it was perceived as such, the moderators would have removed it. Because someone doesn't agree with another person doesn't count as a personal attack. Because someone points out someone's hateful attitude that is clearly revealed in posts is not a personal attack. Maybe you have been carrying that hatred for so long you can't see it for what it is, as it has become a part of who you are. Personal attacks are not beneath you. You have mastered the art of how to get them into a post without them appearing to be a personal attack.
To keep the thread on topic: What do you refer to children born without the benefit of marriage to white teenagers and to those children born to adults who chose to have a baby and be a single parent? Are those children all bastards as you refer to them (which, BTW, is such an archaic term, and just to throw in another archaic term: paramour??) or are they the exception?
Hate or Eleanora1's at her wits end over illegal aliens? I don't "hate" illegals or their supporters but I DO look down on them and want to see them face legal action up to including fines AND prison. Once the word gets out that we'll nail illegals, most of the remainder will leave the US in fear.
Nothing says potentially great American like those break our immigration laws and do such a poor job of raising their children said children wind up at 25 with a GED and three kids they can't support.
Yeah.
Yes -- so much for that "they just want to break our laws to improve themselves" line of crap. This woman is a perfect example of how they are not improving themselves.
Where were her illegal parents when she was being raped as a 14 year old? Did they ever file rape charges against the man who impregnated her or did they figure their own country's laws that 12 year olds can consent to sex were how they would continue to live?
And where were her own illegal parents when she was dropping out of school? It sounds like they were perfectly fine with her having babies out of wedlock, no education, but living the good life of welfare handouts.
Actually these illegals are not improved over their fellow citizens back home who still have a work ethic.
Yes -- so much for that "they just want to break our laws to improve themselves" line of crap. This woman is a perfect example of how they are not improving themselves.
Where were her illegal parents when she was being raped as a 14 year old? Did they ever file rape charges against the man who impregnated her or did they figure their own country's laws that 12 year olds can consent to sex were how they would continue to live?
And where were her own illegal parents when she was dropping out of school? It sounds like they were perfectly fine with her having babies out of wedlock, no education, but living the good life of welfare handouts.
Actually these illegals are not improved over their fellow citizens back home who still have a work ethic.
It also undermines the whole myth that they would never have an anchor baby and then demand American citizenship based on that fact. There's a whole list of deeply bad behavior here. First her creepy parents sneak into this country in violation of our laws. Then they probably got ahold of forged and stolen documents so they take work off the books jobs. Then they do such a poor job of raising at least one of their children that she's a mother before she's a high school senior.
And what do the illegal defenders do? Argue that even hinting that this is bad behavior is pointless and on some level racist. Screech that anyone who does not approve of her actions, who has actually has the termerity to suggest this is not the sort of person we want to let skip our immigration is nothing but a disgusting human being obviously evil and full of hate. They further argue that we must have compassion for this woman and let her and her entire family stay even though they've done nothing at all to adhere to the norms of our society and will probably cost all us lots of money.
It also undermines the whole myth that they would never have an anchor baby and then demand American citizenship based on that fact. There's a whole list of deeply bad behavior here. First her creepy parents sneak into this country in violation of our laws. Then they probably got ahold of forged and stolen documents so they take work off the books jobs. Then they do such a poor job of raising at least one of their children that she's a mother before she's a high school senior.
And what do the illegal defenders do? Argue that even hinting that this is bad behavior is pointless and on some level racist. Screech that anyone who does not approve of her actions, who has actually has the termerity to suggest this is not the sort of person we want to let skip our immigration is nothing but a disgusting human being obviously evil and full of hate. They further argue that we must have compassion for this woman and let her and her entire family stay even though they've done nothing at all to adhere to the norms of our society and will probably cost all us lots of money.
Ridiculous.
Probably cost us lots of money? You can be sure of it. Who paid for the costs of supporting this woman when she was 11? Most likely her parents were drop outs themselves, with a very small earning ability. Why would they leave a country with a low cost of living, in Mexico the government controls the price of tortillas so that everyone can afford them.
The parents failed to supervise this girl, they apparently never went after rape charges against the man that impregnated their young 14 year daughter.
Very very unlikely that this 15 year old girl paid any portion of the hospital bill when she gave birth the first time, or for any of the latter births. Each one of those babies brought in all kinds of food stamps, WIC coupons, bigger housing subsidies. The cost of education for those kids in the USA is much much higher than back home where they belong.
One sob story of this woman mentions her inability to pay for heat -- heating costs in Michigan of course are much higher than back home where they don't need to heat a home. Send her back as fast as possible.
If she doesn't care about her anchor babies once she has to support them herself then fine -- they're better off without her in that case. Otherwise let her take her kids home with her when she goes.
It also undermines the whole myth that they would never have an anchor baby and then demand American citizenship based on that fact. There's a whole list of deeply bad behavior here. First her creepy parents sneak into this country in violation of our laws. Then they probably got ahold of forged and stolen documents so they take work off the books jobs. Then they do such a poor job of raising at least one of their children that she's a mother before she's a high school senior.
The myth is that anyone suggests illegals would not attempt to use anchor children to stay in the US. Where did you hear this Eleanora? Rush told you? the Right Wing gossip line?
I would agree that motherhood at 15 is not a great idea. But should this automatically deprive the resulting child of a chance for a US education? Explain that to me.
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And what do the illegal defenders do? Argue that even hinting that this is bad behavior is pointless and on some level racist. Screech that anyone who does not approve of her actions, who has actually has the termerity to suggest this is not the sort of person we want to let skip our immigration is nothing but a disgusting human being obviously evil and full of hate. They further argue that we must have compassion for this woman and let her and her entire family stay even though they've done nothing at all to adhere to the norms of our society and will probably cost all us lots of money.
Ridiculous.
So better to deport her with her children than a 25 year old gangbanger with two felony arrests? If you are really willing to put her at the head of the line who are you bumping off the back. Relatively fixed number get deported. If she goes someone else does not. How about the young lady freshly arrived who has no children but will soon?
And what do you propose to do with the children. Send them and we get back three likely badly educated citizens in 15 years probably in just the right mood for the gangbanger culture. Complete with a bit of a vendetta about their treatment by the US. And we get them by the millions. You looking forward to integrating those folk into our society?
You know Eleanora I think you simply have no ability to think through what you are suggesting may cause. You will then claim it was the Mexicans who screwed it all up...
The myth is that anyone suggests illegals would not attempt to use anchor children to stay in the US. Where did you hear this Eleanora? Rush told you? the Right Wing gossip line?
I would agree that motherhood at 15 is not a great idea. But should this automatically deprive the resulting child of a chance for a US education? Explain that to me.
So better to deport her with her children than a 25 year old gangbanger with two felony arrests? If you are really willing to put her at the head of the line who are you bumping off the back. Relatively fixed number get deported. If she goes someone else does not. How about the young lady freshly arrived who has no children but will soon?
And what do you propose to do with the children. Send them and we get back three likely badly educated citizens in 15 years probably in just the right mood for the gangbanger culture. Complete with a bit of a vendetta about their treatment by the US. And we get them by the millions. You looking forward to integrating those folk into our society?
You know Eleanora I think you simply have no ability to think through what you are suggesting may cause. You will then claim it was the Mexicans who screwed it all up...
I understand where you are coming from, but you seem to be under the impression that those children are automatic citizens that we would get back in, as you said, 15 years. If she goes to the Mexican Consulate and obtains passports for them, they will be Mexican Citizens. Once they turn of age they can possibly claim US Citizenship, but there is no guarantee they will receive it simply by having been born here.
You are also under the impression that there is a "fixed number" that are deported, how can that be when each year that number has increased? If the concern is the Felon or the Misdemeanor Mom and children, then why not grant a temporary stay, give her a number and date pre-scheduled so that the Felon can go immediately and she, along with her children, will still go in say 30 to 60 days.
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So I suppose we're even. Oh wait. I don't want to tax YOU so some badly educated Mexican national can breed up all the babies she wants with criminals at public expense. 
