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Old 08-07-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Illegal aliens who reside in California and transfer all 18 National Dream University credit hours to UCLA will pay $4,728 less than the $7,128 legal California residents who attend UCLA currently pay for the same 18 credit hours. The subsidies to illegal aliens are even greater for those who reside outside of California. They will pay $17,604 less than the $20,004 legal US residents who are not California residents and attend UCLA currently pay for the same 18 credit hours.
Illegal Aliens Will Be Able To Take Classes at 'National Dream University' - ALIPAC

Just trying to interpret their thoughts because their spelling and sentence structure is so poor is brain frost inducing. Yet, bankrupt California just keeps investing tax dollars in illegal aliens.

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Old 08-07-2012, 05:29 PM
 
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Illegal Aliens Will Be Able To Take Classes at 'National Dream University' - ALIPAC

Just trying to interpret their thoughts because their spelling and sentence structure is so poor is brain frost inducing. Yet, bankrupt California just keeps investing tax dollars in illegal aliens.
And the insanity continues.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Illegal aliens who reside in California and transfer all 18 National Dream University credit hours to UCLA will pay $4,728 less than the $7,128 legal California residents who attend UCLA currently pay for the same 18 credit hours.
Has this country gone completely bonkers? Why on earth should an illegal alien pay LESS than a citizen?
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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Has this country gone completely bonkers? Why on earth should an illegal alien pay LESS than a citizen?

In light of the fact that they exhibit very mediocre to average ability to complete an intelligible sentence, I have no idea why they are being taunted as America's future.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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Sigh. I still don't see the need for a thread of an topic that was already in the top of the forum, however it we must absolutely must continue the conversation so be it.

This online program will be for "immigrant and labour rights". That means that despite being advertised as a college for illegal aliens, it is really aimed at leftist activists. Illegal aliens and leftist activists are not mutually inclusive. The credits may transfer over to a full Bachelors at UCLA. This credits however will doubtfully be of any use for someone who wants an engineering degree as college departments have discretion in which courses fulfill their requirements. They [the credits] will likely only be of any help to those who sign up and attempt to get a minor in 'Labour Studies' or related fields, i.e. a useless degrees. It won't only be taxpayers who will suffer from footing the bill for this thing, but the students themselves for wasting precious time in being indoctrinated.

I think the greater worry here is not that this program exists, but that the state of California continues to intervene in higher education. This isn't the first time that UCLA promotes a political cause with taxpayer money. Nor is UCLA alone in its abuse of tax payer money; both UC and Cal State systems in California are ripe with these sort of examples. There's a reason the whacko who created Kwanzaa studied and teaches in the Cal State/UC system - Californian colleges know they can get away with it.

If the taxpayer wasn't forced to pay for these colleges we'd quickly see a reversal in their current waste of resources. As it is currently though these colleges know they can get away with these programs because they aren't paying for them.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:12 AM
 
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I think the greater worry here is not that this program exists, but that the state of California continues to intervene in higher education. This isn't the first time that UCLA promotes a political cause with taxpayer money.
Who should oversee higher education?

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Nor is UCLA alone in its abuse of tax payer money; both UC and Cal State systems in California are ripe with these sort of examples. There's a reason the whacko who created Kwanzaa studied and teaches in the Cal State/UC system - Californian colleges know they can get away with it.
Abuse of taxpayer money is not the exclusive right of illegals. Why should illegals be the only one's to get away with abusing taxpayer money?

Before you object to Kwanzaa study you might want to know the 7 principals behind Kwanzaa:

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Umoja (Unity): To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation, and race.
Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves, and speak for ourselves stand up.
Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers' and sisters' problems our problems, and to solve them together.
Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): To build and maintain our own stores, shops, and other businesses and to profit from them together.
Nia (Purpose): To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
Kuumba (Creativity): To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
Imani (Faith): To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders, and the righteousness and victory of our struggle


Sounds good to me. It appears it is not only educational, but about self-development and community building (something illegals could definitely learn from). Or do you just object to African studies?

Kwanzaa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course in the name of equality, illegals will demand a course for some whacko to educate the masses on Día de los Muertos.

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If the taxpayer wasn't forced to pay for these colleges we'd quickly see a reversal in their current waste of resources. As it is currently though these colleges know they can get away with these programs because they aren't paying for them.
And once again, 99% of illegals get away with abusing taxpayer money every possible way then can because they aren't paying taxes. Yet, you can identify where taxpayers money is abused in other matters. Sounds like justification or a smoke screen to deflect.

Keep in mind that a college education to US citizens isn't free nor an entitlement - they pay for it. Discounted fees are not available to them, not does the government give them a leg up to attend college for next to nothing in cost, unlike the government plan to give a leg up to illegals for little cost and the difference to be absorbed by taxpayers.

If college was free, low cost or subsidized by government to US citizens, there wouldn't exist an outstanding national debt in college loans that exceeds the national credit card debt.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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Who should oversee higher education?
It used to be education was run locally. Accreditation agencies existed well before government intervention in the area.

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Abuse of taxpayer money is not the exclusive right of illegals. Why should illegals be the only one's to get away with abusing taxpayer money?
When do I defend anyone abusing taxpayer money?

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Before you object to Kwanzaa study you might want to know the 7 principals behind Kwanzaa:
Are you seriously defending Kwanzaa? It's a whacko professor's attempt to create a fake holiday. There is nothing wrong with celebrating one's culture, but Kwanzaa is an attempt to create differences where they don't exist. What's next? Ozaa, celebrating the fourteen principles of the Asiatic people?

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Or do you just object to African studies?
I object to ethnic studies, yes. They provide no useful knowledge. What little history they teach is filled with inaccuracies or wish fulfillment. Black studies has a tendency to be filled with 'black nationalists' who sincerely believe white people are devils. Chicano studies is filled with those who wish we lived in a primitive socialism. Asian studies is filled with the contradictory idea that all people are equal, but that those of the Asian continent are more intelligent and of better work ethic. Oddly they include Pakistan and Bangladesh as being Asian, but exclude India.

Don't tell me you like ethnic studies?

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Of course in the name of equality, illegals will demand a course for some whacko to educate the masses on Día de los Muertos.
Why would an illegal Canadian want to teach people Dia de los Muertos?

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And once again, 99% of illegals get away with abusing taxpayer money every possible way then can because they aren't paying taxes. Yet, you can identify where taxpayers money is abused in other matters. Sounds like justification or a smoke screen to deflect.
Only illegals? I see legal migrants and citizens alike who abuse taxpayer money.

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Keep in mind that a college education to US citizens isn't free nor an entitlement - they pay for it. Discounted fees are not available to them, not does the government give them a leg up to attend college for next to nothing in cost, unlike the government plan to give a leg up to illegals for little cost and the difference to be absorbed by taxpayers.

If college was free, low cost or subsidized by government to US citizens, there wouldn't exist an outstanding national debt in college loans that exceeds the national credit card debt.
Hah! You think college education hasn't become an entitlement? I can't speak outside of California, but in this state most students receive more than enough for tuition and materials from federal and state aid combined. It is rare to find someone who goes to a UC or Cal State who actually pays for their education.

But wait, you seem to want education to be 'free', or imply it heavily. Don't tell me you're another leftist too?
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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When do I defend anyone abusing taxpayer money?
Weren't you hoping that when illegals get legal status that welfare should come with that status?

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Are you seriously defending Kwanzaa? It's a whacko professor's attempt to create a fake holiday. There is nothing wrong with celebrating one's culture, but Kwanzaa is an attempt to create differences where they don't exist. What's next? Ozaa, celebrating the fourteen principles of the Asiatic people?
What is your well informed opinion based on?


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I object to ethnic studies, yes. They provide no useful knowledge. What little history they teach is filled with inaccuracies or wish fulfillment. Black studies has a tendency to be filled with 'black nationalists' who sincerely believe white people are devils. Chicano studies is filled with those who wish we lived in a primitive socialism. Asian studies is filled with the contradictory idea that all people are equal, but that those of the Asian continent are more intelligent and of better work ethic. Oddly they include Pakistan and Bangladesh as being Asian, but exclude India.
Again, just another well informed opinion. Do you object to ethnic studies or are you just a racist?

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Don't tell me you like ethnic studies?
I wouldn't pay to learn something that I can learn through reading. I can buy books, go to the library or learn through the internet. As a matter of fact, I enjoy learning about other ethnicities and culture.

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Why would an illegal Canadian want to teach people Dia de los Muertos?
Who is an illegal Canadian? Are you saying that the man who teaches the course is an illegal? Do you know that as an absolute fact? that the college knowlingly hired an illegal Professor?

Maybe there's an illegal Mexican that can teach "Day of the Dead"?

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Only illegals? I see legal migrants and citizens alike who abuse taxpayer money.
I object to anyone abusing taxpayer money, especially illegals who take it one step further and think how it should be spent on their advancement.

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Hah! You think college education hasn't become an entitlement? I can't speak outside of California, but in this state most students receive more than enough for tuition and materials from federal and state aid combined. It is rare to find someone who goes to a UC or Cal State who actually pays for their education.
Would those be the illegals? Please give me a list of all the universities that are basically giving away a college education. What are the qualifications - being in the US illegally?

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But wait, you seem to want education to be 'free', or imply it heavily. Don't tell me you're another leftist too?
I think everyone should be held to the same standards to earn a college degree. There should be no protected group allowed to get financial consideration based on their status. If Obama had his way a free education would be made available to everyone, then you can go out and get a government job with your government degree. It would be an education provided to the very people the government would own.

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Old 08-08-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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Weren't you hoping that when illegals get legal status that welfare should come with that status?
No, I most certainly was not.

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What is your well informed opinion based on?
By having come into contact with several Black studies Professors across California over the years.


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Again, just another well informed opinion. Do you object to ethnic studies or are you just a racist?
Are you seriously defending ethnic studies?

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I wouldn't pay to learn something that I can learn through reading. I can buy books, go to the library or learn through the internet. As a matter of fact, I enjoy learning about other ethnicities and culture.
And there is nothing wrong with learning with different ethnicities or cultures. Ethnic Studies, as they exist in state schools, do no such thing though.

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Who is an illegal Canadian? Are you saying that the man who teaches the course is an illegal? Do you know that as an absolute fact? that the college knowlingly hired an illegal Professor?

Maybe there's an illegal Mexican that can teach "Day of the Dead"?
You said illegal aliens would want Dia de los muertos taught. Why do you think illegal Canadians would care? Do you know for a fact all illegal aliens, regardless of nation of origin, know or care about that holiday?


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I object to anyone abusing taxpayer money, especially illegals who take it one step further and think how it should be spent on their advancement.
We can agree on objecting to the abuse of taxpayer money then. It certainly isn't only illegals who take it one step further.


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Would those be the illegals? Please give me a list of all the universities that are basically giving away a college education. What are the qualifications - being in the US illegally?
I listed them. UC and Cal State universities are essentially free because of the 'generous' amounts of state aid. It would be even more generous if the politicians in Sacramento actually paid for all of these subsidies out of their own pocketbook and didn't oblige the everyman to pay for someone's liberal art degree.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:13 AM
 
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By having come into contact with several Black studies Professors across California over the years.
I was under the impression you were 20 years old? You seem to get around the state of California. You apparently have had an amazing life with all the people you have met.

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Are you seriously defending ethnic studies?
Seeing as how there are degrees in ethnic studies, a course on Kawanzaa may be a requirement or a minor study for a BOA degree in African American studies. As there would be courses related to the BOA degree in Mexican-American studies that one can obtain from Cal State.

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And there is nothing wrong with learning with different ethnicities or cultures. Ethnic Studies, as they exist in state schools, do no such thing though.
Are you speaking for two universities? Have you attended both universities and sat through a few ethnic studies classes?

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You said illegal aliens would want Dia de los muertos taught. Why do you think illegal Canadians would care? Do you know for a fact all illegal aliens, regardless of nation of origin, know or care about that holiday?
YOU brought up illegal Canadians. Show me the quote where I mention illegal Canadians? I didn't definitively say that illegals know or care about the holiday and want to be taught about the Day of the Dead. How do you know there aren't illegal aliens who want to or do care to know about that holiday?

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We can agree on objecting to the abuse of taxpayer money then. It certainly isn't only illegals who take it one step further.
American citizens and legal residents don't get automatic welfare by virtue of them having a baby. That would certainly be a very nice benefit to citizens. While illegals are working under the table, not paying taxes, they collect benefits on top of their untaxed income. Unfortunately the taxpayer doesn't get that benefit. So you justify people who are illegally in the country abusing the system because American citizens do? Can you justify illegals abuse of medical treatment? How many illegals do you think have medical coverage? Even America citizens on welfare incur costs in spite of being on Medicaid. Absent the Medicaid, medical to illegals is free.

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I listed them. UC and Cal State universities are essentially free because of the 'generous' amounts of state aid. It would be even more generous if the politicians in Sacramento actually paid for all of these subsidies out of their own pocketbook and didn't oblige the everyman to pay for someone's liberal art degree.
Two universities? No wonder illegals flock to California - virtually a free education. And I just thought it was because of the weather. I guess that's just another reason California is in the state that it is in. I like your avoidance of using the word "taxpayer" to pays for your education. You should show some respect to the people who support and educate you. It's the taxpayer, not "the everyman".

Once again, you decide who should pay for your education. Politicians? Sure, it makes sense that politicans subsidize state colleges out of their own pockets. I mean, why should anyone have to pay for an education?

Everytime it comes to cost that impacts illegals, you come up with a means as to how it should be free. Don't illegals want to pay for anything??? If they get a work permit and get a job and have to pay taxes, will there be a movement to make them exempt from paying those taxes? Will there ever be a time when illegals will pay back even the slightest bit for what they have taken?

According to you, a Cal State education is virtually free for every student. I guess you haven't come in contact with everyone and never met a student that is actually paying for their education. Cal State charges in-state students a bit over $12,000 and out-of-state $23,000 (without room and board) (minimum) a year for a student. Is every illegal virtually getting a free education? Are you getting a "free" education? Or are you just resentful that you may be shelling out a couple hundred dollars a year to get that degree?

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