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Young illegal immigrants who are expected to receive work permits under a new program implemented by the Obama administration could face significant hurdles landing a job even with the federal government's permission.
With high unemployment in the region, illegal immigrants looking for jobs will face tough competition from other, more established workers, according to activists and experts on the issue. Illegal immigrants could also face employers who may be reluctant to hire people with temporary work permits or legal residency status.
Given our current economy and high unemployment, this is a no-brainer. But, it will be interesting to see if employers will choose to hire a qualified citizen, or feel obligated to hire an illegal alien with a temporary work permit.
Boby oh boy? given our crappy current economy, high unemployment, this should be a no-brainer, but we will see.
Will be interesting to see who employers will choose to hire, qualified citizens, or the need and obligation to hire an illegal, amazing, it has even come to this point considering i still know Americans, who are out of work!
I'm pretty sure pressure is being applied to the employers to hire Obama's new visa applicants.
Otherwise how will he justify keeping them in the USA if they aren't working for a living? Since the illegals with their new work visas will be happy to accept any kind of wage, this will have the desired effect of driving down wages.
As for the Americans -- they can sign up for the military and be sent to Afghanistan to die for some cause we don't know, maybe to Iran in the future.
The work permits are more or less a two year "stay of deportation". The work visas do not come with a mandatory condition that they work, it just give them the opportunity to secure work legally and be in the US "legally". They can always claim "I can't/couldn't find a job". Obama only needed something that would serve as a magnet to get hispanic votes.
Let's face it, how many jobs are out there for 16 to 20 year old school drop outs who clearly acquired a GED a couple of months before the visa issuance? Illegals would be required to note when they received their GED as well as an employer would be entitled to ask to see the GED certificate. Also, many employers have literacy/skill tests, or should put them in place.
I can only imagine how many discrimination lawsuits may be brought against employers by these temporary "legals" who either don't get jobs because they failed literacy/skill tests, or get fired for being incompetent, for insubordination, excessive absence/lateness, etc.
If I was an employer, I would definitely arm myself with literary/skill tests to prepare myself for any possible lawsuit(s) to prove that the "candidate" failed such test(s). I wouldn't put myself in a "employer said, illegal said" situation because the way things are going it would go in favor of the illegal.
If I was an employer, I would definitely arm myself with literary/skill tests to prepare myself for any possible lawsuit(s) to prove that the "candidate" failed such test(s). I wouldn't put myself in a "employer said, illegal said" situation because the way things are going it would go in favor of the illegal.
You do realize that alot of the people this applies to have lived the majority of their lives in the US as they were brought here during early childhood and many at this point speak fluent English and broken Spanish (or another language in some cases). If you're filling a position and the candidate is qualified and you extend an offer, then when he/she is filling out the I-9 form a temporary work permit is presented....no problem right? He/she is legal to work through the duration of that work permit and at that point it sounds like would have the opportunity to extend it. It would be the same as hiring somebody who has presented a list A Work Authorization document. What is the problem with this?
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You do realize that alot of the people this applies to have lived the majority of their lives in the US as they were brought here during early childhood and many at this point speak fluent English and broken Spanish (or another language in some cases). If you're filling a position and the candidate is qualified and you extend an offer, then when he/she is filling out the I-9 form a temporary work permit is presented....no problem right? He/she is legal to work through the duration of that work permit and at that point it sounds like would have the opportunity to extend it. It would be the same as hiring somebody who has presented a list A Work Authorization document. What is the problem with this?
The problem is it is rewarding their parents who brought them here illegally by allowing their offspring here illegally to remain here. Another problem is that there are 23 million Americans out of work right now. Why in God's name is Obama giving these illegal immigrants work permits? It just encourages more parents to bring their kids here illegally. They know damned well that the next cries will be for their parents to remain here also so their families won't be separated. The handwriting is on the wall for those of us who choose not to wear blinders and won't be ruled by misplaced emotions and compassion where it isn't warranted.
You do realize that alot of the people this applies to have lived the majority of their lives in the US as they were brought here during early childhood and many at this point speak fluent English and broken Spanish (or another language in some cases). If you're filling a position and the candidate is qualified and you extend an offer, then when he/she is filling out the I-9 form a temporary work permit is presented....no problem right? He/she is legal to work through the duration of that work permit and at that point it sounds like would have the opportunity to extend it. It would be the same as hiring somebody who has presented a list A Work Authorization document. What is the problem with this?
The problem is that you don't know if they're going to be deported or not.
I don't care if they consider themselves Americans. They aren't and neither are their lousy, useless, arrogant criminal parents. This bill was a disgrace. Obama has been unable to lower unemployment. He's chosen to pander to the hispanic lobby and punish our own unemployed at the same time.
That's disgusting.
No patriotic American should hire any of the people in question. If they find that a problem they can go home where they belong. If their parents did not prepare them for re-entry into their own home country that is their problem not ours.
No patriotic American should hire any of the people in question. If they find that a problem they can go home where they belong. If their parents did not prepare them for re-entry into their own home country that is their problem not ours.
Employers won't necessarily be in any position to do that, since the document wouldn't be revealed until the candidate is completing the I-9 form, which takes place on the first day of employment after an offer has already been made and is accepted. Since this temporary work permit will now be an acceptable document to establish work eligibility an employer will have no choice but to accept it. It is illegal for an employer to discriminate on the basis of national origin or citizenship status.
For the people on this board who are so hardcore about the legality aspect of illegal immigration should then respect employers who abide by the law in not denying those with temporary work permits the ability to obtain employment. Failing to do so would, in my opinion, seem rather contradictory.
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Quite frankly, employers don't like to hire foreigners on H1-B visas (so-called "highly skilled") because of all the expense and rigmarole that goes with it. Unfortunately, employers do have problems finding qualified Americans to do engineering, scientific and technical jobs.
Why in the world would an employer hire someone with a recent GED and no experience over a citizen in this market? I have a strong feeling that this newest attempt at welcoming illegals will backfire. Way too many young Americans with HS diplomas and light work experience are looking for work.
Has anyone noticed that there is finally a big push to "buy American"? A lot of us are sick and tired of having our jobs offshored while allowing millions into our country with little or no job skills expecting and receiving hand-outs. Let's try "Hire American" and get US back to work before we become a third world country.
Why in the world would an employer hire someone with a recent GED and no experience over a citizen in this market?
Where do you get the idea that this only applies to recent GEDs with no experience? The program applies to people up to 31 years of age and I'm sure there is a huge variance in education and work history. Generalizing that population of people as low education and unskilled is an unrealistic assumption.
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