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They don't even need to be related to illegal immigrants or who have friends who are. Most Americans of Mexican descent that I have spoken with about this issue defend illegal immigrants because most illegal immigrants are Mexicans. It is as if their loyalty is to Mexicans and consider them their family moreso than their fellow Americans of all ethnic groups. Luis Gutierrez was on O'Reilly the other night and that is the way he explained it also. It's very troubling especially since they are a growing demographic. If our politicians don't cave into their demands they threaten to withold their votes.
It is puzzling when they try to compare the plight of illegal immigrants to the Civil Rights movement when blacks were citizens of this country and illegal immigrants don't even have a right to be here. Where is the comparison?
Your post is pretty right on the money. I do have a lot of mexican friends, actually i have friends all nationalities, and different colors. Does not matter more of what is inside.
However this is one topic that i cannot discuss with my mexican friends, some of who, will defend illegal immigrants to the very end, why argue, and get stressed, i will not win.
Even those who are born in this Country, have a loyality to their own. Not all, i do have some very good friends who are American Born Mexicans, who disagree with the stance on illegal immigration, and they will let you know why. But they are few and far behind the rest.
Hard to understand really, how they can compare the plight of lawless illegal immigrants to those of the Civil Rights Movement.
They do not feel as i do. I am Italain nationality, and if these were Italian illegals coming to this Country, i would be just as pissed. For my Ancestors had to go thru hell and high water, to become Citizens of this Country. This is a slap in the face however, to all of our realitives who came to this Country wanting a better life, went thru hell and high water, to become a citizen, learn the language, and some think that they can walk all over those who came to this Country legally. Pisses me the hell gosh dang off.
Perhaps you'd like to point to the bolgna in the following post.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
He was promised by congress that it would be secured. Congress failed him and he lived to regret signing that amnesty. It was also promised that there would never be another amnesty and look what has happened long after he left office and died.
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Public Law 99-603 (Act of 11/6/86), which was passed in order to control and deter illegal immigration to the United States. Its major provisions stipulate legalization of undocumented aliens who had been continuously unlawfully present since 1982, legalization of certain agricultural workers, sanctions for employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers, and increased enforcement at U.S. borders.
The "new" law will be a repeat of the current. Likewise, the results will be the same -- no enforcement, more illegal immigration, and ANOTHER amnesty once illegal immigration is AGAIN out of control. How stupid is this country?
Amusingly, you are quoting an article that shows the opposite of what you are trying to disprove: That more deportations are happening to those without criminal records. The article doesn't discount the higher numbers of deportations under President Obama, it is reporting that only around 15% of deportees have criminal records.
So your quote reports about 85% of current deportations are in instances where there is not a criminal record...
So much for saying a felony is required to be removed from the country...
Amusingly, you are quoting an article that shows the opposite of what you are trying to disprove: That more deportations are happening to those without criminal records. The article doesn't discount the higher numbers of deportations under President Obama, it is reporting that only around 15% of deportees have criminal records.
So your quote reports about 85% of current deportations are in instances where there is not a criminal record...
So much for saying a felony is required to be removed from the country...
The fact remains that Obama did not deport criminal aliens in the numbers that were claimed. In the count of deportees those turned away at the border were also included. Another fact is that Homeland Security was told to prioritize deporting criminal aliens over those who don't have a felony record. He told Homeland Security/ICE if the state of Arizona calls about having a non-felon illegal immigrant in custody not to go get them. I would imagine he specifically mentioned Arizona because of his grudge with Governor Brewer. However, the fact is that any illegal immigrant that doesn't have a felony on their record will remain untouched.
...In the count of deportees those turned away at the border were also included. Another fact is that Homeland Security was told to prioritize deporting criminal aliens over those who don't have a felony record. He told Homeland Security/ICE if the state of Arizona calls about having a non-felon illegal immigrant in custody not to go get them. I would imagine he specifically mentioned Arizona because of his grudge with Governor Brewer...
Can you source these quotes?...
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
...However, the fact is that any illegal immigrant that doesn't have a felony on their record will remain untouched.
To which the article you quote totally refutes any such notion: 85% of deportations were without criminal records...
But you were responding about the total number of deportations:
Can you source these quotes?...
To which the article you quote totally refutes any such notion: 85% of deportations were without criminal records...
I stated my case accurately in my last post. The link I provided says that Homeland Security will be priortizing deportations. Perhaps you missed it? You're confusing those who were already set for deportation during Obama's early first term and what his new policy has been the past few months. In the past links have been provided about what Homeland Security/ICE were told to do if Arizona officials call them about an illegal immigrant without a felony conviction....don't pick them up. In fact the topic was discussed just recently. Short memory? I don't intend to get involved with your circular arguments and bantering back and forth over and over on the topics.
I would never support the criminal acts of someone simply because we happen to share a race or ethnicity. The only explanation I can come up with for their mindset and support of illegal aliens is that they are the racists. It seems that everyone(particularly illegal mexicans, many of whom are some of the most racist people on the planet) wants to cash in their ticket to citizenship by blackmailing America because of it's unfortunate history of racism.
You think exactly as i do. If these were Italians as illegal immigrants, i would still not welcome them, what, and that being a slap in the face to my ancestors and others who came willingly to become citizens.
And by the way went thru hell and high water to come here, and to become citizens no matter how long it took. And they managed to learn the language, broken english, but no doubt they learned the language.
I don't care if they were my nationality, i was taught that wrong is wrong, and because someone shares my nationality, means not a damn thing, if that means they can break the laws. I can't, you can't ,why should they be able too!
The audacity of these people and how they think that they stand out more then others. But we created this mess, and this mess shall cease to not ever go away.
I only see this problem escalating, and those who are going to pay this high price, will be our children, and their children!
I stated my case accurately in my last post. The link I provided says that Homeland Security will be priortizing deportations. Perhaps you missed it? You're confusing those who were already set for deportation during Obama's early first term and what his new policy has been the past few months. In the past links have been provided about what Homeland Security/ICE were told to do if Arizona officials call them about an illegal immigrant without a felony conviction....don't pick them up. In fact the topic was discussed just recently. Short memory? I don't intend to get involved with your circular arguments and bantering back and forth over and over on the topics.
The data of your quoted article is on Fiscal Year 2011, the latest available. It reports over 85% of 396,906 deportees had no criminal record. This isn't about any "circular arguments" or "bantering back and forth", you quoted the article (and the ICE news release it is based on: FY 2011: ICE announces year-end removal numbers, highlights focus on key priorities including threats to public safety and national security) to show the mutually exclusive positions that ICE under President Obama's administration is not deporting enough aliens with criminal recordsandany of those without them.
Every single one of almost 400,000 deportations has to be in one group or the other, which one is it?...
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