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Old 11-10-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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You might as well face it.

YOU ARE GOING TO SOME FORM OF IMMIGRATION REFORM.

Now Republicans and Conservatives can stand in the way of immigration reform and continue to lose congressional senate and presidential elections in states with significant Hispanic populations.

It's just that simple. Immigration reform is coming the only issue is when and how much Republican support it will have.
Which means throw the 24 million unemployed AMERICANS under the bus.

And of course hike up the national debt and taxes on Americans who will have to pay for all these newly amnestied and the great flood of people who will most definitely arrive soon to cash in on it.

Keep in mind -- the fiscal cliff in Jan 2013 -- this is a terrible time to bring in many millions of impoverished foreigners.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Unless Obama plans on pulling another fast one he will never get it through congress but he can tell Hispanics "well at least I tried".
No, he can mobilize Hispanics in the 2014 mid-terms to get control of the House. That's really all he has to do.

It should be obvious to you by now that President Obama has the political ground game to target specific congressional seats and win them.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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If democrats would really look at what happened this election by comparing it with 2008, they would see that Obama lost 10 million votes - and they would wonder why. In spite of massive population increases, 10 million fewer people bothered to vote for Obama. 3 million votes were lost between McCain and Romney -- if that trend were to continue, the Republicans would win in 2016.

Yes, Obama got the Mexican and other illegal votes --- which in spite of their large increase in numbers, he still got almost 10 million fewer votes.

Like it or not - the democrats cannot win the White House on only the votes of the illegals and pro-illegals.

If Obama continues to ignore the needs of the American people with jobs and a decent economy and continues to put foreigners here illegally ahead of the American people, then there will be election losses.
Since Obama can't run again I'm not worried about him. The media has already began touting Marco Rubio and other so called GOP latinos that will be hispandering for a victory in 2016. While I realize that Cuban's arriving here have different rules than that of mexicans illegals they continue to play a large part in the destruction of America as well. As far as I am concerned, it's long past time to end the wet foot dry foot BS as well. We have been allowed to be invaded by latin America. It has not turned out well and the policies put in place in the 60's need to be overturned ASAP.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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No, he can mobilize Hispanics in the 2014 mid-terms to get control of the House. That's really all he has to do.

It should be obvious to you by now that President Obama has the political ground game to target specific congressional seats and win them.
There are still more American voters than there are of the foreign-born hispanic voters.

He's promised Americans jobs and a better economy and if he doesn't deliver, he's going to lose the American voters.

He's kind of between a rock and a hard place now -- either he continues to ignore the very real needs of Americans and continues to act like the Moses of the Mexicans and Central Americans --- or he addresses the needs of the American people and stops catering to foreigners who have zero respect for this country and it's laws.

Right not he's got to focus on some really deep spending cuts to bring down the deficit -- and he may just have to put his big amnesty and massive immigration plans on hold. Or will he have to face the American people and tell them he's got them some really high tax increases and will be cutting programs that help Americans but he's got a big Dream Act and government loans for all those who come here illegally? How will that go over?
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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And fewer people voted for Obama in this election than did in 2008 -- sure some landslide. He has no mandate, he is falling in popularity -- wait until the midterm elections. 24 million unemployed AMERICANS, $16 trillion national debt -- and the only thing Obama plans to accomplish is handing out citizenship to all those who have no respect at all for this country or it's laws.


Popular Vote 2012: Narrow Lead For Obama When 13 Million Americans Chose Not to Vote

but comparisons of local election returns show that 2012 looks a lot more like 2004 than it does 2008, except less enthusiastic.

The biggest vote loser was Barack Obama, who received 10 million fewer votes than 2008
This is the type of math conservatives use to make themselves feel better after losing an election. President Obama still beat Mitt Romney's *ss by over 3 million popular votes and 332 to 206 in electoral votes.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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This is the type of math conservatives use to make themselves feel better after losing an election. President Obama still beat Mitt Romney's *ss by over 3 million popular votes and 332 to 206 in electoral votes.
3 million out of 400 million people living in this country is less than 1% Imagine if some of those 10 million disillusioned Obama voters from 2008 had voted for Romney instead of sitting this one out?

Or if the 3 million that voted for McCain had come out to vote for Romney instead of sitting this one out?

Just remember -- there is an economy that Obama needs to get going on --- he'd better be doing something about that and put the American people's needs ahead of the foreigners.

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Old 11-10-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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You might as well face it.

YOU ARE GOING TO SOME FORM OF IMMIGRATION REFORM.

Now Republicans and Conservatives can stand in the way of immigration reform and continue to lose congressional senate and presidential elections in states with significant Hispanic populations.

It's just that simple. Immigration reform is coming the only issue is when and how much Republican support it will have.
Immigration reform: many it'll get nastier for illegal aliens in the US? I'd def be Ok with that.

Too, illegal aliens hurt Blacks and Chicanos more than anglo whites; do you really want that?
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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You might as well face it.

YOU ARE GOING TO SOME FORM OF IMMIGRATION REFORM.

Now Republicans and Conservatives can stand in the way of immigration reform and continue to lose congressional senate and presidential elections in states with significant Hispanic populations.

It's just that simple. Immigration reform is coming the only issue is when and how much Republican support it will have.
I'm not sure why you believe only Republicans and conservatives oppose illegal immigration. I assure you, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I am neither, nor are most of my family and friends. I also have many Hispanic friends who are staunch anti-illegals. While most of them voted for Obama, they did so because they felt he was the lesser of two evils. Others simply stayed home. This would also have been the first opportunity for my 20 y/o son to vote in a presidential election. He didn't vote, because he said he couldn't support either candidate, and refused to vote against rather than for. I respect his conviction. So, if you think an Obama victory is a mandate for amnesty, think again.

Of course, both parties are now pandering to Hispanics. As well as the mindless bandwagon jumpers, who do whatever they believe is trendy. Sadly, those sheeple would support pedophiles if pedophilia suddenly became chic. But, when push comes to shove, if Obama chooses to put illegal aliens ahead of 24 million unemployed/underemployed citizens, a dwindling middle class, budget deficits, and other issues concerning citizens, he will have hell to pay, as will Democrats in Congress.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes, maybe we need to make it clear to the politicians - amnesty goes on the back burner until all 24 million unemployed AMERICANS are taken care of first and have nice jobs. And when the deficit is brought down so that the national debt will decrease. Get all those issues taken care of, then we'll talk.

DO NOT attempt to throw the American people under the bus and cater only to the foreigners who are here illegally who disrespect our laws and the need to have an orderly process of immigration.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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Yes, maybe we need to make it clear to the politicians - amnesty goes on the back burner until all 24 million unemployed AMERICANS are taken care of first and have nice jobs. And when the deficit is brought down so that the national debt will decrease. Get all those issues taken care of, then we'll talk.

DO NOT attempt to throw the American people under the bus and cater only to the foreigners who are here illegally who disrespect our laws and the need to have an orderly process of immigration.
I wish those asshat politicians would get it. I don't know what it's gonna take to scare them enough into following the wishes of Americans instead of illegal aliens.
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