How many illegal immigrants will there be in five years if the current group is given amnesty?

[Smoke_Jaguar4]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Seal our borders? Who is for that? We allow in over 1 million legal immigrants a year how is that sealing our borders? No we haven't had an open border policy. Are you seriously comparing our country today to the past? We are no longer a wide open frontier, sparsely populated with jobs and resources for everyone like in the past. Are you denying that? What does smaller government have to do with having immigration laws just like every other country does? Free enterprise does not include illegal foreigners coming here at will to competer for jobs and resources against Americans nor should it.

Free enterprise is about letting the market take its course with minimal interference from the the government. An employer should be free to employ whom he wishes based on his business needs and negotiated wages and benefits for the employee. If a person can do the job, it doesn't matter if they're an American, Elbonian, or a Martian. What's ironic is this is essentially the situation we have today. I can go to any bigbox hardware store, pickup a crew, and pay them cash at the end of the day. If they have a problem, who are they going to complain to? The the U.S. squanders billions deporting people who've come here to work; I say we deport the deadbeats who would rather sit at home and collect unemployment.

As far as other nations have immigration laws, does that mean its OK? Other nations also severely restrict firearms and have nationalized health care. By the same logic these are OK for the U.S. too?

In the end, you are just another big government "conservative" who wants to use the power of the state to protect you from open competition .

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by california-jewel

I agree with you, it is this thought process that so many Americans, have that got us into the trouble we now face.

What other Country is as lenient, and ingorant as ours, that say, Come on In, the more the merrier.

We are no longer you got that right, the Country we once were. This Country a great Country it once was, is going to pay, and pay it will, believe this.

Free enterprise definitely in no way, accept illegal foreigners coming here to compete for jobs and businesses.

Our children, and their children, are deeply going to pay, for the mistakes and error in judgement, on the part of those who are suppose to serve it's citizens, American Citizens, or legal immigrants our Government.

Our problems have only just begun, just wait, but it is our children, who ar going to be the ones that pay deeply.

Yep, them feringers been ruinting this country for genrations. I thin the gop should stick wit the no latino program that has worked so good fer us so fer...

[Smoke_Jaguar4]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Yep, them feringers been ruinting this country for genrations. I thin the gop should stick wit the no latino program that has worked so good fer us so fer...

1870: The CHINESE are stealing our jobs!!!
1880: The IRISH are a bunch of hoodlums!!!
1890: The POLES are destroying our culture!!!
1900: The EYE-TALIANS won't even learn English!!!
1910: The GERMANS sympathize with the Kaiser!!!
1920: The MEXICANS are stealing our jobs!!!

Today: The VIETNAMESE, KOREANS, LATIN AMERICANS, JAMAICANS, NIGERIANS, MOOOSLIMS, and HINDUS are coming for our women and children!!! RAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEE!!!!!111!1!1!!!!!1

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

What Amnesty?

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Yep, them feringers been ruinting this country for genrations. I thin the gop should stick wit the no latino program that has worked so good fer us so fer...

Foreigners? The topic is illegal immigrants., not immigrants or foreigners per se. No latino program? What is that? Never heard of it.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

What Amnesty?

The amnesty aka CIR that Obama is trying to push.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by california-jewel

I agree with you, it is this thought process that so many Americans, have that got us into the trouble we now face.

What other Country is as lenient, and ingorant as ours, that say, Come on In, the more the merrier.

We are no longer you got that right, the Country we once were. This Country a great Country it once was, is going to pay, and pay it will, believe this.

Free enterprise definitely in no way, accept illegal foreigners coming here to compete for jobs and businesses.

Our children, and their children, are deeply going to pay, for the mistakes and error in judgement, on the part of those who are suppose to serve it's citizens, American Citizens, or legal immigrants our Government.

Our problems have only just begun, just wait, but it is our children, who ar going to be the ones that pay deeply.

It's our governent's fault for not enforcing our immigration laws like they should have and yet it is going to be us law abiding Americans that are going to go down with this sinking ship that they created.

[9162]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

Yes, there will be millions of new "illegal" immigrants, and their legal hispanic counterparts will vote democrat, and the democrat president will get in, and then feel obliged to let them all stay. But actually, there will be a lot more than 11-20 million "illegal" immigrants, because they have a provision allowing families to not be separated. So, every time a new illegal becomes legal (now, a much easier process) they will bring their entire family, including cousins, aunts, uncles, grand parents, etc. There will be tens of millions of people coming here. It will also be difficult to prove who is related, or not. --Think about the explosion of subsidies needed for such families funded by tax payers.

Keep in mind, there are not enough jobs for the people who are already here legally, and many of those jobs that are available, do not pay enough to live in the U.S.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

For one -- no illegal doing the hard jobs for low pay will be doing those jobs once they are given their nice and easy US citizenship on a silver platter. They won't have to work the fields, clean houses, make beds for the elite -- nor can they if their elite masters don't want to start paying legal wages and overtime pay and other benefits.

Millions of new illegals would start coming to do the jobs that Americans and newly amnestied illegals think they're too good to have to do.

Many more than 11 million certainly are here and want social security checks and the other right of US citizenship which is the ability to sponsor all those loved ones they left behind. Many illegals have a large number of children back in their home country, children they could bring here to get Medicaid and food stamps. Most illegals have lots of siblings that would like the easy life here, and parents and grandparents who would enjoy a much more lavish government provided retirement here -- with disability checks, Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by 9162

Yes, there will be millions of new "illegal" immigrants, and their legal hispanic counterparts will vote democrat, and the democrat president will get in, and then feel obliged to let them all stay. But actually, there will be a lot more than 11-20 million "illegal" immigrants, because they have a provision allowing families to not be separated. So, every time a new illegal becomes legal (now, a much easier process) they will bring their entire family, including cousins, aunts, uncles, grand parents, etc. There will be tens of millions of people coming here. It will also be difficult to prove who is related, or not. --Think about the explosion of subsidies needed for such families funded by tax payers.

Keep in mind, there are not enough jobs for the people who are already here legally, and many of those jobs that are available, do not pay enough to live in the U.S.

Which is why Obama quietly extended unemployment handouts well into the future before he started making his amnesty his biggest priority --- the unemployed are happy -- they can continue receiving checks for not working, and Obama can justify adding many millions of new workers to the labor pools.

And that's a very good point --- any document can be falsified in Mexico. Anyone can conveniently become a child, sibling or parent of an amnestied illegal. There would be no way to know if some "sibling" is really a neighbor or second cousin --- it will be very massive fraud just like last time.

And in the last amnesty, there were TEN times the number of illegals amnestied than were supposed to be amnestied -- precisely because so many made a run for the border to get in on it. There were an estimated 300,000 illegals then -- supposedly for many years but amnesty ended up given to over 3,000,000 -- most of them had never stepped foot in the USA before and came to get in on that fantastic deal.