How many illegal immigrants will there be in five years if the current group is given amnesty? (2014, NAFTA)

[Old Tired Man]

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

[Smoke_Jaguar4]

There will no longer be ANY illegal immigrants. Given a realistic path to legal residency, nobody will skirt the system.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Smoke_Jaguar4

There will no longer be ANY illegal immigrants. Given a realistic path to legal residency, nobody will skirt the system.

What part of we cannot take in the entire world's poor and other foreingers that want to come here and that is why we have immigration laws in the first place aren't you getting? So we should just erase our borders? That would be committing national suicide. Are you kiddiing me? How do we provide jobs and resources for billions of people within our landmass? Is it just the U.S. that you are advocating to just open their borders to anyone that wants to come here or does that include every other country in the world? A nation without borders ceases to be one.

[theunbrainwashed]

One thing that the "just one more amnesty, then no more. Promise!" crowd needs to know, once these illegals become legally resident here, they are no longer cheap workers. Guess what? Employers are going to lay them off in favor of fresh illegals that didn't make it in time for the amnesty or aren't eligible. Then those newly minted resident aliens will complain their countrymen are taking their jobs and the circlejerking continues

Originally Posted by Smoke_Jaguar4

There will no longer be ANY illegal immigrants. Given a realistic path to legal residency, nobody will skirt the system.

I don't see how you can accomplish that unless we have a sort of Schengen type agreement with the US and Mexico, which I think is what is going to happen decades from now. Probably explains the big push for amnesty, getting us used to the idea that they're going to implement a North American Schengen Agreement

[theunbrainwashed]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

What part of we cannot take in the entire world's poor and other foreingers that want to come here and that is why we have immigration laws in the first place aren't you getting? So we should just erase our borders? That would be committing national suicide. Are you kiddiing me? How do we provide jobs and resources for billions of people within our landmass? Is it just the U.S. that you are advocating to just open their borders to anyone that wants to come here or does that include every other country in the world? A nation without borders ceases to be one.

I'll bet you that's the idea. Slowly get used to Americans having millions of Mexicans living in the US with lots of Spanish amenities, because there's a Schengen Agreement coming to you soon

[Smoke_Jaguar4]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

I'll bet you that's the idea. Slowly get used to Americans having millions of Mexicans living in the US with lots of Spanish amenities, because there's a Schengen Agreement coming to you soon

That would be great! It would be the logical conclusion of NAFTA, CAFTA, and CARICOM. Free Trade will finally trump parochial borders! Free enterprise FTW.

[theunbrainwashed]

Originally Posted by Smoke_Jaguar4

That would be great! It would be the logical conclusion of NAFTA, CAFTA, and CARICOM. Free Trade will finally trump parochial borders! Free enterprise FTW.

Well, the upside is that Mexico will finally start to get some serious development going. Happened to the poor EU countries over the years, even if they did crash and burn in 2008. Another upside is, Florida will no longer be the clusterfook that it is with everyone from the North wanting to move there for the weather . Besides that, I'm vehemently against the US signing a Schengen Agreement with Mexico and Canada

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

Since there is basically a net zero number of new illegals coming in, I suspect the number of undocumented aliens 5 years would increase by about .... zero. Or more probably would go down by the number that have by then gone into the process.

[All American NYC]

Originally Posted by Old Tired Man

Ok, lets assume that the Congress passes the Comprehensive Immigration Law and the President signs it- giving amnesty to basically all the current 11-20 Million Illegal Immigrants. Now move ahead to the year 2018 (5 years from now). Will there be millions of new Illegal immigrants in America in 2018 that came from 2014-2018? What will be done with them?

I think Obama wants an open border. Its anybody's guess.

[Smoke_Jaguar4]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

I think Obama wants an open border. Its anybody's guess.

As long as a person isn't wanted for crimes in their home nation, so be it. We can quit wasting billions on fences, border patrols, and other proven failed means to somehow seal our borders. The U.S. had an essentially open border policy from the Revolutionary War through Ellis Island, and it served us perfectly well. The original purveyors of immigration controls were the labor unions that wanted to lock in a monopoly on the available workforce.

I'm bewildered at why otherwise small government, free enterprise conservatives want to impose a heavy, draconian government-based regime in immigration. I guess underneath they must really be Big Labor Liberals.