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Old 03-19-2013, 05:17 PM
 
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It's simple. Not everyone sees things from your point of view. That's all that it is. You may be concerned about the British based culture of this country changing, but your neighbor is concerned about the price of gas the next day and the US's culture is just a backburner thought, if it even registers for a millisecond at all. That's all that it boils down to
Respecting our immigration laws is not a point of view it is the law. Are you telling me that there are Americans who don't mind having our tax coffers raped by illegal immigrants and are ok with them working jobs here with 23 Americans out of work?

As for culture, do you really think that non-hispanic Americans, whites, blacks, Asians, etc. want to see this country become another Hispanic nation culturally and linguistically via illegal immigration? I don't have a problem with "subtle" changes to our culture as long as those changes occur in a lawful and natural way via legal immigration. Illegal immigration, no! We are supposed to embrace diversity aren't we? How is it diversity when millions from one ethnic group are coming here illegally?

You cannot speak for the whole nation. Most American I know of don't want this unnatural change to our demographics and it rates right up there with the other problems we are facing in this country because many are directly related to illegal immigration.
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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[30%]Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported

[23%]23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.

[5%]5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally,

[31%] 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay.

There is no clarification of what the excptions are.

23% is the only solid percent that wants deportation...Far from a majority.
Your forgot to add the 30% to the 23% which is 53%. "Some" acceptions certainly doesn't equate to favoring an amnesty for most of them. Instead they think that most should be deported in that catagory.
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: texas
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Your forgot to add the 30% to the 23% which is 53%. "Some" acceptions certainly doesn't equate to favoring an amnesty for most of them. Instead they think that most should be deported in that catagory.
if you dont know what the exceptions are, then you can't make any majority claim.

list the exceptions
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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if you dont know what the exceptions are, then you can't make any majority claim.

list the exceptions
I don't know what the exceptions are but it's as plain as day that the majority in this particular poll want illegal immigrants deported. If you don't like my assessment of this poll then so be it. There are plenty of others that reflect the same thing but I am not going to go searching for them and post them here as you would probably remain in denial as you are with this one. One I know was an internet poll and I posted it a few weeks ago. The percent of those opposing illegal immigrants being able to remain here vs allowing them to remain here was much higher.

Perhaps you should concern yourself more with the mere 36% of this poll that wants illegal immigrants to remain here.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Of course I knew this would happen. He's a libertarian. Real libertarians, instead of Republicans who call themselves libertarian because it's the hot new thing now, support open borders.



If I were you, I'd start adjusting myself now for CIR to become reality. It has a 75% chance of passing, might as well get used to it. Otherwise, you're just gonna be angry and bitter for no reason like white nationalists are.
WHITE nationalists? It ain't just "white" people who DON'T want amnesty for illegal aliens. Sheesh!
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:53 PM
 
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this is encouraging. was worried rand paul would sell out to the nativist scum in his party. now if only he would be ideologically consistent and come out for completely open borders.
Uh; NO country in the world has full open borders; I don't think the US will do it either.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Here is a recent poll that shows that the majority of Americans are opposed to amnesty:

Majority of U.S. citizens say illegal immigrants should be deported | Reuters
Voluntary on-line polls are not scientific and not accurate which is exactly what the Reuters poll was. The majority says they can stay, and all the major polling firms have been showing that for years now. You know the same polls that have been accurate in elections.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: California
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Rand Paul is about to endorse a path to citizenship and declare opposition to deportation of people who entered the US illegally.

Rand Paul endorses path to citizenship - CBS News
I like how they take his phrasing and change it to mean something he didn't say. His statement was:
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"If you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you."
This doesn't equate to a path to citizenship.

What it equates to is exactly what Rubio has been stating, they may be allowed to apply for a work visa that will have to be renewed every 2 - 4 years. All it will do is legalize them and allow them to remain provided they can obtain a job.

The claim as made is the media creation of "words into someones mouth". CBS's reporter who wrote the article is sensationalizing the words of Paul.

From the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...7ad_story.html
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Paul said he sought to turn illegal immigrants into taxpayers (Paul's actual words), which could ultimately lead to their becoming citizens (authors opinion). Despite early reports that he would endorse a pathway to citizenship in the speech, however, he did not specifically address the citizenship issue.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: texas
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I don't know what the exceptions are but it's as plain as day that the majority in this particular poll want illegal immigrants deported. If you don't like my assessment of this poll then so be it. There are plenty of others that reflect the same thing but I am not going to go searching for them and post them here as you would probably remain in denial as you are with this one. One I know was an internet poll and I posted it a few weeks ago. The percent of those opposing illegal immigrants being able to remain here vs allowing them to remain here was much higher.

Perhaps you should concern yourself more with the mere 36% of this poll that wants illegal immigrants to remain here.
the exceptions could have been as innocuoos as...No deportation if the learn English, or no deportation if they are in school or military, or no deportation if have lived in the US for 5 years or more, had green eyes, were right-handed, drank coca-cola...

with out knowing the percentage of those stipulating exceptions the real percentage is only 23% in favor of deportation.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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Voluntary on-line polls are not scientific and not accurate which is exactly what the Reuters poll was. The majority says they can stay, and all the major polling firms have been showing that for years now. You know the same polls that have been accurate in elections.
Well then that makes the polls that claim the opposite not scientific or accurate either then, right?
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