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Old 03-21-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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focusing on deportation now is like trying to stop a wedding six months after the couple have their first child...
Really? Eisenhower did it.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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No, it isn't logistically nor financially impossible. Remove the incentives for them to remain here and many will leave on their own. Also it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here.

So increase our legal immigration quotas to accomodate all the poor that want to come here? Otherwise what do you mean about changing our immigration laws? Change them to what? We know why they come. Many for jobs (of which we don't have) and many for benefits (of which we are being drained dry of).

Sorry, but it isn't only marijuana that is coming across our border but much harder drugs also.

We don't need anymore unskilled workers in this country so why would we need more worker visa programs?
A ot of their children would be exempt from the incentives you talk about, because being
born here, they are American citizens, so they are entitled to our welfare programs and free
health care.

Presently, immigration is at an all time low - no jobs - they aren't coming.

70 - 80 percent of the drugs coming over the Mexican border is marijuana.

A lot of the B visa jobs for engineers from abroad, let's say - needs to be addressed.
Why do companies hire them over American engineers - they are cheaper.
It has nothing to do with "we have a shortage of math and science grads". That's
a myth.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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A ot of their children would be exempt from the incentives you talk about, because being
born here, they are American citizens, so they are entitled to our welfare programs and free
health care.

Presently, immigration is at an all time low - no jobs - they aren't coming.

70 - 80 percent of the drugs coming over the Mexican border is marijuana.

A lot of the B visa jobs for engineers from abroad, let's say - needs to be addressed.
Why do companies hire them over American engineers - they are cheaper.
It has nothing to do with "we have a shortage of math and science grads". That's
a myth.
Yes, they are but because of their parent's violation of our immigration laws and that is the objection. They wouldn't be able to tap into our welfare coffers if not for that.

Doesn't matter how many are still coming or not coming just as long as there are still millions of them living here and not being deported.

I agree that no employer should be allowed to hire foreigners if there are qualified Americans for the jobs whether they be skilled or unskilled. I never said we had a shortage of skilled workers so that is all the more reason to stop this practice. We all know why employers hire foreigners above Americans and that is pure greed. My main objection is hiring illegal immigrants because that is against the law!
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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I heard him this morning talking about it. He said/well he explained what his plan was and actually it doesn't seem so bad.
First the border needs to be certified secure, ifs, ands or buts. Then after a careful check of each illegal aliens record and finding no problem, had a job and not getting welfare or benefits, they could get in the line that everyone needs to be in to acquire citizenship. No special favors.
As he said, they are here, and obviously not going anywhere, so, try and fix it the best we can?
I don't see how they can ever seal the border. How would all the drugs get here?
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: texas
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Nope. E-verify, NO gov't ID's for illegal aliens, English ONLY for gov't agencies including ESL in schools, take away birthright citizenship unless 1 parent is a US citizen, immigration holds by LE for ANY offense and so on. MOST illegal aliens WILL leave.
of all the things you listed...how many have even been proposed in the last 10 years on a national level?

E-verify
No gov IDs
English Only
14th amendment
Detention

It is so much easier said then done.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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I heard him this morning talking about it. He said/well he explained what his plan was and actually it doesn't seem so bad.
First the border needs to be certified secure, ifs, ands or buts. Then after a careful check of each illegal aliens record and finding no problem, had a job and not getting welfare or benefits, they could get in the line that everyone needs to be in to acquire citizenship. No special favors.
what message does that send to any future illegal?
Why reward them period?


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As he said, they are here, and obviously not going anywhere, so, try and fix it the best we can?
I don't see how they can ever seal the border. How would all the drugs get here?
what message does that send?
Why should we budge if they don't? I think we should make it harder to be illegal here.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: texas
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Really? Eisenhower did it.
What Eisenhower did 1954 would NEVER, NEVER, EVER happen today. So waft nostaglic of things that will never happen.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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What Eisenhower did 1954 would NEVER, NEVER, EVER happen today. So waft nostaglic of things that will never happen.
Why?
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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I heard him this morning talking about it. He said/well he explained what his plan was and actually it doesn't seem so bad.
First the border needs to be certified secure, ifs, ands or buts. Then after a careful check of each illegal aliens record and finding no problem, had a job and not getting welfare or benefits, they could get in the line that everyone needs to be in to acquire citizenship. No special favors.
As he said, they are here, and obviously not going anywhere, so, try and fix it the best we can?
I don't see how they can ever seal the border. How would all the drugs get here?
Yeah, sure just like border security was promised in 1986 with the last amnesty. Fool me once.....

Who is going to cover the costs of all of these background checks? The American taxpayer that's who and our country is going broke right now and our taxes are already through the roof. How are the holding a job if not for using fake or stolen documents which are felonies or working under the table which is tax evasion? Should they get a pass on that? What about the 23 million Americans that are out of work? You're ok with illegals remaining here and retaining those jobs that Amercians need or to compete for those they don't have yet? But those aren't special favors? Getting a pass on deportation isn't a special favor? The line for legal immigration forms in their homelands, not within our borders.

Nothing about this is obvious. Remove the incentives for them to stay here such as jobs (e-verify), benefits and birthright citizenship and many will leave on their own.

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of all the things you listed...how many have even been proposed in the last 10 years on a national level?

E-verify
No gov IDs
English Only
14th amendment
Detention

It is so much easier said then done.
There has been legislation proposed for all of them on the federal level but those with a vested interest in illegal immigration have blocked them. Not sure what you mean by detention though. We already detain illegals as they are caught. There is no English "Only" proposal only English as our official language. Learn to know the difference.

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What Eisenhower did 1954 would NEVER, NEVER, EVER happen today. So waft nostaglic of things that will never happen.
Didn't say it would happen but my point was as in the past it can be done technically. What is your vested interest in defending illegal immigrants, wanting them to remain here in spite of the negative impact it will have on Americans and in spite of the fact that as in 1986 amnesty rewarding those who violate our immigration laws only encourages more to come here illegally and makes a mockery of our immigration laws? Curious, are you Hispanic?

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Old 03-21-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Really? Eisenhower did it.
An immigration attorney friend of mine has represented many illegals that apply for asylum. He can extend their stay in the country for up to 10 years between appeals and motions. Asylum is very difficult to get and in most cases those that file end up getting deported. However he would tell you that if the country took a mean approach toward illegals and all those that would be eligible to apply for asylum actually did, the courts would take decades to hear and decide all those cases.
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