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Old 11-09-2007, 12:11 AM
 
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It may not show gang involvement, but It will show trends toward that. Similar accomplices, similar style crimes, who the crimes were committed on.

Why are you auguring about a word? Any violent crime trends that show up in an application for citizenship should be denied, regardless of gang ties or not.
im not disagreeing on denial of entry based on violent criminal past. the author of this thread asked:

Who is supposed to be admitted into the country?... ...Certainly not someone that is a gang member...


all i wanted to know is how you tell someone is involved with a gang or has the potential to be. background checks show criminal history, but that's all.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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im not disagreeing on denial of entry based on violent criminal past. the author of this thread asked:

Who is supposed to be admitted into the country?... ...Certainly not someone that is a gang member...


all i wanted to know is how you tell someone is involved with a gang or has the potential to be. background checks show criminal history, but that's all.
so your focusing on a word, that the author could have used to describe violent individuals?

As I have stated, I think you just like to try to encite arguements.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:52 PM
 
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so your focusing on a word, that the author could have used to describe violent individuals?

As I have stated, I think you just like to try to encite arguements.
That's pretty obvious, isn't it.
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Old 11-09-2007, 05:35 PM
 
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im not arguing against a background check. but a background check doesnt show gang involvement or potential gang involvement... it just shows crimes committed and prosecuted. gang involvement was the issue presented in this thread, not general crime.

This is moot.

Typically, immigration laws don't allow the most vlunerable demographic for gangs - young, unskilled, mostly teenagers.

From the very start there'd be no reason to let them in.

Student visas, yes. 18 year old who just want to move to the US? No.
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:39 PM
 
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im not disagreeing on denial of entry based on violent criminal past. the author of this thread asked:

Who is supposed to be admitted into the country?... ...Certainly not someone that is a gang member...


all i wanted to know is how you tell someone is involved with a gang or has the potential to be. background checks show criminal history, but that's all.
I agree, GHOST. The title of this thread is "Gang Threatens Police". Well, who can blame them? Don't the police "threaten" Gangs? Why should the gangs respect the police, when they can see that the police don't respect THEM? Fair is fair, I say.... After all, you don't see gang members locking up policemen for 5 or 10 years---
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:48 PM
 
Location: NM
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I agree, GHOST. The title of this thread is "Gang Threatens Police". Well, who can blame them? Don't the police "threaten" Gangs? Why should the gangs respect the police, when they can see that the police don't respect THEM? Fair is fair, I say.... After all, you don't see gang members locking up policemen for 5 or 10 years---
LOL, I sure am glad someone has a sense of humor on this forum once in awhile.
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Old 11-09-2007, 10:40 PM
 
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I agree, GHOST. The title of this thread is "Gang Threatens Police". Well, who can blame them? Don't the police "threaten" Gangs? Why should the gangs respect the police, when they can see that the police don't respect THEM? Fair is fair, I say.... After all, you don't see gang members locking up policemen for 5 or 10 years---
agree with what? i just asked a question.
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Old 11-09-2007, 11:49 PM
 
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...Right now for Latinos it's just an open border, isn't it?...There are no controls, and haven't been for almost 20 years now...
Most illegal immigrants pay upwards of a couple thousand dollars a person a coyote to get across the border. Many are forced to risk their lives going underneath the earth in tunnels. To say there is an open border is uninformed. This isn't a walk in the park, this is risking everything financially to cross.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:29 PM
 
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Most illegal immigrants pay upwards of a couple thousand dollars a person a coyote to get across the border. Many are forced to risk their lives going underneath the earth in tunnels. To say there is an open border is uninformed. This isn't a walk in the park, this is risking everything financially to cross.

If you have a couple thousand dollars to pay for a coyote, you have a couple thousand dollars to go through proper immigration channels.

If you have managed to save thousands for a coyote, you're not in THAT BAD of a situation in your home country, and that money would be better spent starting a business or investing in your home country.

Stop making excuses for the inconsiderate "line jumpers." How many MORE DESERVING people from other places in the world have to wait when we COULD increase immigration quotas for THEM if not for the millions here we're already struggling to deal with?
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:06 PM
 
Location: California
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If you have a couple thousand dollars to pay for a coyote, you have a couple thousand dollars to go through proper immigration channels.

If you have managed to save thousands for a coyote, you're not in THAT BAD of a situation in your home country, and that money would be better spent starting a business or investing in your home country.

Stop making excuses for the inconsiderate "line jumpers." How many MORE DESERVING people from other places in the world have to wait when we COULD increase immigration quotas for THEM if not for the millions here we're already struggling to deal with?
Keep in mind there is a loooong waiting line. A lot of people don't have the time. Most of them get the money from their family who lives in the U.S.
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