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For the time being it will be put on the back burner, and for good reason. Will it pass? Eventually a form of it will pass, but not quite the way it is written now. Most of us, who are realistic know changes have to be made: we need to do something; we can't send all these people back to the country they came from, but we don't need to give them true amnesty either.
We can send many if not most of them back to their homelands but our PC government lacks the will to do it. This administration has decided they will take a hands off approach on all illegal aliens unless they are convicted felons. All that has to be done is to take away the incentives to remain here like jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship and many if not most would leave on their own. This would also serve as a deterrent for more to come here.
I have no confidence that much of anything will get passed if you look at the track record of the current Congress. The tea bag nut jobs that have pushed their way into the party are clueless and would rather do nothing that might risk their re-election vs actually trying to do something.
Basically, Reagan screwed this up when he had a chance to fix it in the 80's and nothing will happen now because the new right isn't willing to compromise on anything to make something actually happen.
I see no reason to reward illegals with legal status.
The choice isn't between giving them all US citizenship as their reward for breaking the laws or deporting each and every last one of them. Leave them illegal. That's the choice they themselves made, and start going after the employers. Deport them as they make their presence known, some will return home eventually, especially if they aren't enticed to stay with promises of quick easy US citizenship and all kinds of taxpayer provided handouts.
The best thing would be to make it clear there is already a legal process for immigration. Coming here illegally should never get them ahead of those who have abided by the laws. If they want legal status, then the best thing would be for them to go back home and start over the right way -- and that means get in line behind those who are following the laws. If they're caught here illegally, then they should never be given legal status or at the very least have the 10 year ban.
I have no confidence that much of anything will get passed if you look at the track record of the current Congress. The tea bag nut jobs that have pushed their way into the party are clueless and would rather do nothing that might risk their re-election vs actually trying to do something.
Basically, Reagan screwed this up when he had a chance to fix it in the 80's and nothing will happen now because the new right isn't willing to compromise on anything to make something actually happen.
Most of us conservatives do not want another amnesty and neither does the Teaparty because it is the wrong thing for our country to do that again. Does that make us nut job?
No, it wasn't Reagan that blew it. It was the Democrat controlled congress that didn't follow through on their promise to secure our borders after that amnesty was signed. Reagan lived to regret signing that amnesty. It was wrong back then and it is still wrong today.
I see no reason to reward illegals with legal status.
The choice isn't between giving them all US citizenship as their reward for breaking the laws or deporting each and every last one of them. Leave them illegal. That's the choice they themselves made, and start going after the employers. Deport them as they make their presence known, some will return home eventually, especially if they aren't enticed to stay with promises of quick easy US citizenship and all kinds of taxpayer provided handouts.
The best thing would be to make it clear there is already a legal process for immigration. Coming here illegally should never get them ahead of those who have abided by the laws. If they want legal status, then the best thing would be for them to go back home and start over the right way -- and that means get in line behind those who are following the laws. If they're caught here illegally, then they should never be given legal status or at the very least have the 10 year ban.
I agree 100%. The point of focus needs to be the employers. Take away the attraction the employers have (ultra-cheap labor paid in cash, no FICA, benefits, etc) to hiring illegals by penalizing those employers, and behaviors will change. It doesn't help that our government goes out of their way to offer illegals all kinds of benefits, and that needs to change.
What troubles me is the attitude of the pro-illegal crowd towards those that want borders closed, enforcement made, etc. Do the pro-illegal supporters not understand that these people are BREAKING THE LAW by being here illegally?
Of course, when the president himself has not one but TWO illegal immigrant relatives living in the U.S., it's no wonder the pro-illegal crowd thinks it is acceptable.
I agree 100%. The point of focus needs to be the employers. Take away the attraction the employers have (ultra-cheap labor paid in cash, no FICA, benefits, etc) to hiring illegals by penalizing those employers, and behaviors will change. It doesn't help that our government goes out of their way to offer illegals all kinds of benefits, and that needs to change.
What troubles me is the attitude of the pro-illegal crowd towards those that want borders closed, enforcement made, etc. Do the pro-illegal supporters not understand that these people are BREAKING THE LAW by being here illegally?
Of course, when the president himself has not one but TWO illegal immigrant relatives living in the U.S., it's no wonder the pro-illegal crowd thinks it is acceptable.
Actually, most of us do not want our borders closed. There are and should be legal ports of entry. There are three motives that I can come up with that makes one a pro-illegal. Cheap labor, ethnic ties and pandering to a certain group for their votes. None are a viable defense.
The only real way to prevent illegal immigration is to insure no way to earn a living. That is impossible. Americans will cheat so much it is impossible for the government to effectively enforce. Another approach: Repeal NAFTA. Get our companies out of their markets with cheap American agriculture products. Make it feasible for peasants to survive without heading north. That is the real question. Is there ANY way to fight off the corporations getting wealthy this way? With our present political realities after Citizens v. United? As longs as our companies make beggars out of Latin American countries, their people will show up on our doorstep. And "conservatives" won't lead the charge against NAFTA. They can't.
If we legalize the ones here, we won't mitigate illegal immigration as more people will continue to migrate to the US uninspected. Borders won't help. However, there's something that needs to be done for those who came to the country as toddlers and have no recollection of their country of origin. It's inhumane to send them to an unfamiliar environment.
If we legalize the ones here, we won't mitigate illegal immigration as more people will continue to migrate to the US uninspected. Borders won't help. However, there's something that needs to be done for those who came to the country as toddlers and have no recollection of their country of origin. It's inhumane to send them to an unfamiliar environment.
It's a sticky situation.
How is it so inhumane? Their own parents came to an unfamiliar environment.
For example, in college, I went to study in Mexico -- it was a fabulous experience and these countries aren't nearly as primitive as the open-borders side likes to claim. Mexico City for example has a whole lot to see and do. I've known Americans who lived for some time in Guatemala and loved it, not Americans with that ethnic or family background either.
At least the countries' capitol cities are usually fairly international and modern -- cars, universities, libraries, computers. They don't have to decide to live in some tiny remote rural village if they don't want.
I could see certain instances where someone who was brought here before age 3 and is now in his or her 30s, has committed no crime ever including felony document fraud, being given legal status but those who had the child smuggled in should never be rewarded for having done so, they get sent home. The 15 or 16 year old smuggled in a couple months ago and who can't speak two words of English would be another matter. Same with the older individual brought in as a toddler who is running with a gang -- out they should go.
How is it so inhumane? Their own parents came to an unfamiliar environment.
For example, in college, I went to study in Mexico -- it was a fabulous experience and these countries aren't nearly as primitive as the open-borders side likes to claim. Mexico City for example has a whole lot to see and do. I've known Americans who lived for some time in Guatemala and loved it, not Americans with that ethnic or family background either.
At least the countries' capitol cities are usually fairly international and modern -- cars, universities, libraries, computers. They don't have to decide to live in some tiny remote rural village if they don't want.
I could see certain instances where someone who was brought here before age 3 and is now in his or her 30s, has committed no crime ever including felony document fraud, being given legal status but those who had the child smuggled in should never be rewarded for having done so, they get sent home. The 15 or 16 year old smuggled in a couple months ago and who can't speak two words of English would be another matter. Same with the older individual brought in as a toddler who is running with a gang -- out they should go.
Mexico is a huge country. You can't use your experience in Mexico City to argue how Mexico is prosperous. Most illegals are not from Mexico City. Furthermore, there are primitive conditions in Mexico.
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