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Old 05-05-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Denver
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  • It is believed that jaguars in northern Mexico total no more than 120
  • Conservationists worry that border fence could prevent return of breeding jaguars
  • Homeland Security officials have waived laws to make sure fence is completed
  • Agencies look for solution that enhances security while preserving wildlife
Border-fence dispute snares rare jaguars - CNN.com
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:03 PM
 
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I'll admit I am no expert on jaguars, however they do climb trees quite easily. I have owned several house cats and they can climb mesh surfaces such as screens and wire fences with NO problem. The claws seem tailor made for it. From the photos I have seen of the Mexico border fence, most are just wire mesh with no barbwire on top, so I doubt it would pose a major problem to a jaguar.

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Old 05-05-2008, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Good Grief, Mach50 . . . what's next?

Interesting how the Illegal Lovers are always able to create another "roadblock" in an attempt to interfere with the much needed fence. There's just no telling what they'll come up with next . . . ORPHANED RATTLESNAKES, maybe?
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Old 05-06-2008, 12:01 AM
 
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Default This tends to support Jaguars are able to climb the fence.

This tends to support Jaguars are able to climb the fence.

In England, at the Chester Zoo, the Jaguar cage is almost 17 feet tall.

But apparently that is not enough they also then put an additional piece of fence at 90 degrees to stop them.

But wait there's more. They also electrify the fence to zap the cats if they try to climb.

Yea. If the fence sections I've seen on the border are any indication the "Poor Jaguar" will find it about as difficult to cross as an Illegal Immigrant did, Pre 2001.

Let me know when we start using electrified, seventeen foot tall fences to secure that section of the border and then I'll start worrying about the poor kitties.

Article on Chester Zoo Jaguar cage.

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Old 05-06-2008, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Good Grief, Mach50 . . . what's next?

Interesting how the Illegal Lovers are always able to create another "roadblock" in an attempt to interfere with the much needed fence. There's just no telling what they'll come up with next . . . ORPHANED RATTLESNAKES, maybe?
The only reason I posted this, is because once the National Wildlife Refuge group gets involved, you can almost say nighty night to the fence.

This topic is heating up, here is another one:

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WASHINGTON - The debate over the fence the United States is building along its southern border has focused largely on the project's costs, feasibility and how well it will curb illegal immigration. But one of its most lasting impacts may well be on the animals and vegetation that make this politically fraught landscape their home.

Some wildlife researchers have grown so concerned about the consequences of bisecting hundreds of miles of rugged habitat that they have talked of engaging in civil disobedience to block the fence's construction.
azcentral.com | Phoenix Arizona News - Arizona Local News
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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The only reason I posted this, is because once the National Wildlife Refuge group gets involved, you can almost say nighty night to the fence.
I understand and fully understand, Mach.

Up until about ten years ago, I was a Californian and believe me, I understand the mega-strength as well as the blind and often ridiculous antics involving many of those groups.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The only reason I posted this, is because once the National Wildlife Refuge group gets involved, you can almost say nighty night to the fence.

This topic is heating up, here is another one:

azcentral.com | Phoenix Arizona News - Arizona Local News
But just as the info provided by RandomU debunked this; the other 'stall tactics' will also be discredited. Funny, nobody seems to be concerned about the massive trashing of the forestry by the illegals.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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But just as the info provided by RandomU debunked this; the other 'stall tactics' will also be discredited. Funny, nobody seems to be concerned about the massive trashing of the forestry by the illegals.
So so true, Benicar . . .

Just as no one seems concerned, especially the corrupt Mexican Government, for the hundreds, possibly thousands of Illegals who die in the desert every year.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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So so true, Benicar . . .

Just as no one seems concerned, especially the corrupt Mexican Government, for the hundreds, possibly thousands of Illegals who die in the desert every year.
True. I guess they consider them collateral damage -- or martyrs for the cause.
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Old 05-06-2008, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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True. I guess they consider them collateral damage -- or martyrs for the cause.
Very possibly, Benicar.

However, I suspect it is driven more by GREED because for every Illegal that makes it there's a big KA-CHING for Mexico's income.
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