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Old 01-07-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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My wife grew up along the Mexican Border and we lived very near there several times in our life.
But we also lived very near the Border with Canada in the 90's for a time.
All anyone discusses is the southern border.
When I worked for a shuttle company in WA we took people from WA to Canada daily. I was fully aware at that time that many Chinese would visit Canada on visas and then disappear using driver's licenses that were purchased in WA by relatives. Many of these people went to work in family businesses and have been here like the South American types for many many years.
Yet nobody seems concerned about the border to the North, and it's pretty much wide open.
Go figure.
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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My wife grew up along the Mexican Border and we lived very near there several times in our life.
But we also lived very near the Border with Canada in the 90's for a time.
All anyone discusses is the southern border.
When I worked for a shuttle company in WA we took people from WA to Canada daily. I was fully aware at that time that many Chinese would visit Canada on visas and then disappear using driver's licenses that were purchased in WA by relatives. Many of these people went to work in family businesses and have been here like the South American types for many many years.
Yet nobody seems concerned about the border to the North, and it's pretty much wide open.
Go figure.
So you are saying in the 1990's Chinese Americans would overstay their visa's for Canada????? Or Chinese visiting Canada would overstay their visa and obtain fake DLs from the US?

So your comparing the number of Chinese citizens living illegally (visa overstays) in Canada to South Americans crossing the border and living illegally in the USA?
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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So you are saying in the 1990's Chinese Americans would overstay their visa's for Canada????? Or Chinese visiting Canada would overstay their visa and obtain fake DLs from the US?

So your comparing the number of Chinese citizens living illegally (visa overstays) in Canada to South Americans crossing the border and living illegally in the USA?





It sounds like it....



Last time I checked Chinese people had to either fly or take a boat from their country to get here and then march their butts to Canada. Is it easier living in Canada? Are their immigration laws more lax than ours?



The issue at the border is a real threat. How many people can America take before it collapses under the cost of supporting them?



Easy immigration that skirts the laws we already have, the same laws that thousands of people per year follow to immigrate LEGALLY, is a recipe for disaster. Trump knows this and he is trying to do something about it and somehow he is the bad guy?


There is no issue but the Dems playing politics with the safety of the people and the future of America.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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It sounds like it....



Last time I checked Chinese people had to either fly or take a boat from their country to get here and then march their butts to Canada. Is it easier living in Canada?


There is no issue but the Dems playing politics with the safety of the people and the future of America.

All ypu have to do is go to Chinatown in Chicago or Devon street and wonder who is here legally or not. It's not just the southern border, it's all people who overstay visa's and those are far more from all countries than come in across the border.



Hmmm playing with the safety of people and the future of America? I'll never understand the logic of the right wing wanting to cut off the billions of dollars the illegal immigrants contribute to our economy, but when it comes to nut jobs getting guns and mowing down our citizens, it's an outrage for stricter gun control. Really? Immigrants bad, guns good. Got it.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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All ypu have to do is go to Chinatown in Chicago or Devon street and wonder who is here legally or not. It's not just the southern border, it's all people who overstay visa's and those are far more from all countries than come in across the border.



Hmmm playing with the safety of people and the future of America? I'll never understand the logic of the right wing wanting to cut off the billions of dollars the illegal immigrants contribute to our economy, but when it comes to nut jobs getting guns and mowing down our citizens, it's an outrage for stricter gun control. Really? Immigrants bad, guns good. Got it.
To be more specific, not all illegal immigrants are bad. Just the ones along the border of Mexico, because that's where Trump has decided to focus his campaign with his broad strokes about MS-13 and cheap labor driving making it harder for all the real Americans who would love a chance to pick fruit and tobacco.

If Trump were to Tweet tomorrow about Chinese triads operating out of restaurants in NYC, all the Cape Cod Todds would be here bleating about how Democrats look the other way for illegal votes and cheap dumplings.
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Old 01-07-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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To be more specific, not all illegal immigrants are bad. Just the ones along the border of Mexico, because that's where Trump has decided to focus his campaign with his broad strokes about MS-13 and cheap labor driving making it harder for all the real Americans who would love a chance to pick fruit and tobacco.

If Trump were to Tweet tomorrow about Chinese triads operating out of restaurants in NYC, all the Cape Cod Todds would be here bleating about how Democrats look the other way for illegal votes and cheap dumplings.
The term "honest illegal alien" is an oxymoron. They all are criminals. It starts when they either sneak across a border or overstay a visa. Yes, the first time is a misdemeanor (which is still a crime) but subsequent entries are felonies.

In order to survive here, they have to commit more crimes. It's illegal for them to work here. In order to work here, they have to do one of the following: 1) use a stolen ID; 2) use a fake SSN (sometimes that fake SSN belongs to a living person who then gets put into a world of hurt like the ID theft victim); or 3) they get paid under the table and thus engage in tax evasion which is a crime.

Trump focused on the southern border because that's where a very large number of illegals enter the country illegally. There are plenty of OTMs from all over the world who fly into Mexico City then hire coyotes to sneak them across the border.

And, yes, illegals do drive down wages and displace American citizens and illegal aliens in the workforce. Many honest contractors in the construction fields have lost their livelihoods because they couldn't compete with sleazy contractors who hire illegals and pay them under the table.

It doesn't matter where in the world an illegal alien is from. Nor does it matter if they got here from sneaking across a border or overstaying a visa. They all have one thing in common and that is this---they have no business being here and need to leave.

Just as you would have no business being in another country illegally.
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Old 01-07-2019, 03:40 PM
 
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All ypu have to do is go to Chinatown in Chicago or Devon street and wonder who is here legally or not. It's not just the southern border, it's all people who overstay visa's and those are far more from all countries than come in across the border.



Hmmm playing with the safety of people and the future of America? I'll never understand the logic of the right wing wanting to cut off the billions of dollars the illegal immigrants contribute to our economy, but when it comes to nut jobs getting guns and mowing down our citizens, it's an outrage for stricter gun control. Really? Immigrants bad, guns good. Got it.
Illegal aliens take far, far more than they give. And, yes, I do want to cut off the billions of dollars they allegedly contribute. With illegals gone, those jobs will go back to Americans and legal immigrants and, yes, business owners will have to pay better salaries plus provide safe working conditions and decent benefits.

When GW Bush was president and ICE was allowed to raid companies, after the raids Americans would line up to apply for those jobs. One notable case was Howard Industries in MS. Americans drove as much as 40 miles for a chance to apply for a job.
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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All ypu have to do is go to Chinatown in Chicago or Devon street and wonder who is here legally or not. It's not just the southern border, it's all people who overstay visa's and those are far more from all countries than come in across the border.



Hmmm playing with the safety of people and the future of America? I'll never understand the logic of the right wing wanting to cut off the billions of dollars the illegal immigrants contribute to our economy, but when it comes to nut jobs getting guns and mowing down our citizens, it's an outrage for stricter gun control. Really? Immigrants bad, guns good. Got it.







Noooo Illegal immigrants that try to skip the line and don't follow our immigration laws are bad. Why should someone that shows up at the border with nothing but the shirt on his back and a sob story be admitted over someone that is doing it the right way?



What happens when that illegal immigrant that has already proven that he doesn't care about our laws sells your kid some drugs or uses an illegal gotten gun to intimidate and rob legal immigrants within the community he has moved into?



Where is this billions of dollars the illegal aliens contribute? It seems that they take far more than they give.



Of course there is a problem with those that overstay their Visas but they are harder to catch and when they are caught what happens? Are they sent packing or given a court date and the justice system crosses its fingers that they will show up or are they given another chance and set loose to drunk drive or beat up someone again?



Illegal aliens and illegal guns are bad, I agree with you BUT there is a big difference between a law abiding gun owner and a criminal and a LEGAL immigrant and an illegal one.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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To be more specific, not all illegal immigrants are bad. Just the ones along the border of Mexico, because that's where Trump has decided to focus his campaign with his broad strokes about MS-13 and cheap labor driving making it harder for all the real Americans who would love a chance to pick fruit and tobacco.

If Trump were to Tweet tomorrow about Chinese triads operating out of restaurants in NYC, all the Cape Cod Todds would be here bleating about how Democrats look the other way for illegal votes and cheap dumplings.





There is a problem at the border. How can people be so blind to not see this? Is the hatred for Trump so bad that it blurs their common sense?





What is so wrong about securing the border?

Yes there are poor people that are coming and sneaking in and they are seeking a better life but there are also the ones that bring their criminal activities along with them. The MS13 drug dealing cartel murdering idiots are a real threat. We already have enough of that scum in America. Do the Dems want more?



The border security is a problem and top Dems know it and have talked about how important it is to have a secure border but now they don't seem to care focusing instead on future Democrat voters.



If Chinese gangs are breaking laws, dealing drugs, killing people then guess what they should be rounded up and if they are illegal send them packing or to prison for their crimes.



Why is it so hard for Democrats to understand that Conservatives want to enforce the law? If someone is here illegally they should be sent packing. It is simple as that and Trump is right to call the border issue what it is, a crisis.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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My wife grew up along the Mexican Border and we lived very near there several times in our life.
But we also lived very near the Border with Canada in the 90's for a time.
All anyone discusses is the southern border.
When I worked for a shuttle company in WA we took people from WA to Canada daily. I was fully aware at that time that many Chinese would visit Canada on visas and then disappear using driver's licenses that were purchased in WA by relatives. Many of these people went to work in family businesses and have been here like the South American types for many many years.
Yet nobody seems concerned about the border to the North, and it's pretty much wide open.
Go figure.
Although we shouldn't tolerate illegal immigration from anywhere it is still our southern border that is the biggest problem by far. 80% of illegal aliens are Mexicans or other Latinos. They are the poor, uneducated and unskilled not like those from China who are usually educated and aren't a burden on our society. If they are working in family businesses then they aren't stealing a job from Americans either. At least they came on visas so were vetted and there is a record of them not so with those from south of our border. There are criminals, drug runners and those from known terrorist countries slipping through our southern border also.
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