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We should deport them BUT give the ones that are willing to apply for citizenship the right way access to do so. I am all for immigrants coming to the United States, but it has to be done the right way and the lawful way. My wife's family is from Spain and Mexico, and she is a 2nd generation Mexican, Spanish-American, but her family did it the right way. In fact, her family gets offended whenever they hear about illegal immigrants coming. My wife's grandpa gets really upset when he had to wait, pay money and take a test just to come to the US when others just come here and get the opportunities he has with less involved. One of his proudest moments was when he got his citizenship. That can be done for all those that are here illegally. We aren't saying we don't want you here, we want you here the right way. The US needs to welcome and open arm LEGAL immigration.
-B
You don't have to give them citizenship -- a green card is a good start. You then still have the legal right to deport someone who may end up committing a crime.
We often hear about how low our unemployment is and that illegals drive down the wages. Make them legal, especially now with almost full employment.......
+ Ayup and make the everify a legal defense. If you Everified, you have done your bit. Makes doing the Everify a liability remover and thus done more. Your insurance company will now require it as part of your policy...
Ayup wish I coulda like that one 50 times. Clean your own house. Dern lazy..
Most illegals aren't mowing lawns or cleaning houses for the average American. It is only the rich elite that employ them for that. They are mostly being hired in the construction industry and other blue collared jobs through regular employers. Many commit felony ID theft to gain employment.
I say leave them alone while we seal the border and end chain migration. Once we have the leaks in the border plugged, the problem will take care of itself, even though it will take many years.
Other nutty ideas, like letting them get driver licenses, public assistance and sanctuary cities should be abolished.
You don't have to give them citizenship -- a green card is a good start. You then still have the legal right to deport someone who may end up committing a crime.
We often hear about how low our unemployment is and that illegals drive down the wages. Make them legal, especially now with almost full employment.......
I agree. Now, just because we give them the tools in order to become a citizen doesn't mean they actually become one. We of course need to have procedures in place to rule out any criminals or those that will not benefit society. But yes, we should not give citizenship to just anybody.
E verify and hopefully self deportation should take care of a 1/4 according to some estimates. Plain old deportation like Eisenhower did, closing the birthright citizenship loophole.
Create a U.S. citizen card, issued at birth and retroactively to actual citizens. The only way you can get a public benefit is with that card.
Tighten up on landlords so they cannot rent to illegals, alter banking laws so they cannot service illegals. Change law to allow for 100% forfeiture of assets for illegals. Allow bounty hunting of illegals, regulate it, license it, but allow the profit motive to take over. Enlarge the pool of people to include vetted volunteers to do deportation hearings.
Invalidate the driver's licenses from state's that give driver's licenses to illegals as ID for federal purposes.
So, you are saying if they are here now they can stay if they apply?
If certain conditions are met.
They need a way to provide for themselves and their dependents, not be guilty of any crime, etc.
Green cards are a way of establishing documentation without handing out citizenship. We had to get a green card before we applied for our right to vote and become citizens. We had to prove that we had a way to make money, weren't serial killers, etc.
There are so many people here who have been here for years. Yes they originally entered illegally and may have been in the system for years, 'checking' in with ICE as required. Some of them have married Americans, have kids who are Americans and have their own business or jobs. They aren't in line for handouts. Get them documented.
Right now the systems in place are giving mixed messages. The IRS allows folks with fake or duplicated TAX ID or social security numbers to pay their taxes without any penalties. ICE routinely allows/allowed individuals caught here illegally to remain, work and 'check in' periodically ......
A) First, above all, to solve this problem, we need to completely forget about ideology. In a "perfect world" everyone would be completely happy with their lives and there would be no need to ever migrate. We can't achieve perfection, so forget about trying to attain it. Let's be practical:
With 20M illegals and ~500,000 minutes in a yr, we'd need to hold 40 one minute hearings per minute for a whole yr to handle the court load. Can't be done.
So--
B) Amend The Constitution. We're the only country in the world where citizenship is awarded merely by the geography of birth. It served a purpose for 200 yrs while we were trying to fill back up the country we had emptied by exterminating the indigenous (Don't I sound like a Liberal?) people.. Times have changed. We don't need that anymore.
C) We DO need workers willing to work in the ag industry for $10/hr. Americans would do the work @ $20/hr with benefits, but then a potato would cost $8. We simply need to have an organized effort to import workers legally with a minimum of red tape. Make it so easy that there would be no need for honest workers to cross or be employed illegally. They would pay payroll taxes but not be eligible for retirement or govt disability, govt paid healthcare etc etc. They would be expected to return to their COO when the work was done.
D) For those illegals who can prove residency (phone bill, electric bill etc) for, say, 5 yrs with no evidence of criminal activity and evidence of self- sufficiency of income, we just gotta concede that they are acting as good citizens and deserve legal status. This would cover the so-called Dreamers.. ..Those here less than that arbitrary 5 yrs would be expelled and could get back in line for legal immigration.
E) Get rid of the stupid "asylum laws." They were instituted during the Cold War to encourage defections from the Communist Bloc for propaganda purposes. They weren't meant to afford sanctuary to those who couldn't find a job or didn't like their neighborhoods.
The Laws should reflect the same conditions for access to our country as the rules we use to welcome or exclude people from our houses.
Addressing C). We already have unlimited visas for AG workers.
Addressing D). I totally disagree with you and they aren't citizens either.
Tighten up on landlords so they cannot rent to illegals, alter banking laws so they cannot service illegals. Change law to allow for 100% forfeiture of assets for illegals. Allow bounty hunting of illegals, regulate it, license it, but allow the profit motive to take over. Enlarge the pool of people to include vetted volunteers to do deportation hearings.
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We should deport them BUT give the ones that are willing to apply for citizenship the right way access to do so. I am all for immigrants coming to the United States, but it has to be done the right way and the lawful way. My wife's family is from Spain and Mexico, and she is a 2nd generation Mexican, Spanish-American, but her family did it the right way. In fact, her family gets offended whenever they hear about illegal immigrants coming. My wife's grandpa gets really upset when he had to wait, pay money and take a test just to come to the US when others just come here and get the opportunities he has with less involved. One of his proudest moments was when he got his citizenship. That can be done for all those that are here illegally. We aren't saying we don't want you here, we want you here the right way. The US needs to welcome and open arm LEGAL immigration.
-B
Why should they be able to apply for our citizenship when they thumbed their noses at our immigration laws and most likely have committed felony ID theft or tax evasion to work here? They should have to return to their countries and apply to come back legally as legal immigrants do and citizenship is a long ways down the line anyway. Unacceptable and not fair to do otherwise.
Get used to them. That’s what you should do. They ain’t leaving, and you’re not gonna make them leave.
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