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Old 03-20-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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It’s not always easy to define amnesty, but this much is clear: Allowing illegal agricultural workers to remain in the United States as they secure legal status is amnesty.

Yet this is what both of these agricultural immigration bills would do. Illegal agricultural workers wouldn’t even be required to leave the country temporarily as they secure legal status.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/..._q0j2IB-7G0AeI

Why shouldn't these illegal agricultural workers have to follow the same path as those here legally under the H-2A visas? Legal agricultural workers under the H-2A temporary agricultural worker program are required to leave the country for an uninterrupted period of three months before seeking readmission, once they have been in the U.S. for three years. Yet, under these bills, leaving temporarily is too much to ask of illegal agricultural workers.
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Old 03-25-2020, 09:21 PM
 
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It’s not always easy to define amnesty, but this much is clear: Allowing illegal agricultural workers to remain in the United States as they secure legal status is amnesty.

Yet this is what both of these agricultural immigration bills would do. Illegal agricultural workers wouldn’t even be required to leave the country temporarily as they secure legal status.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/..._q0j2IB-7G0AeI

Why shouldn't these illegal agricultural workers have to follow the same path as those here legally under the H-2A visas? Legal agricultural workers under the H-2A temporary agricultural worker program are required to leave the country for an uninterrupted period of three months before seeking readmission, once they have been in the U.S. for three years. Yet, under these bills, leaving temporarily is too much to ask of illegal agricultural workers.
Automation, automation, automation.

Agriculture hates the H2A program because they have to provide comfortable conditions and transportation. They gotta pay them even if the harvest isn’t ready or something like that. I have no problem taking those stipulations away, though farms should buy a few buses and shelter pods or something for the workers. Especially if the farms are way out there.

To be honest, farms, masonry/carpentry labor-men and maybe lawn care are the only industries I would allow work visas for. The other industries are just being spoiled babies.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:25 PM
 
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It’s not always easy to define amnesty, but this much is clear: Allowing illegal agricultural workers to remain in the United States as they secure legal status is amnesty.

Yet this is what both of these agricultural immigration bills would do. Illegal agricultural workers wouldn’t even be required to leave the country temporarily as they secure legal status.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/..._q0j2IB-7G0AeI

Why shouldn't these illegal agricultural workers have to follow the same path as those here legally under the H-2A visas? Legal agricultural workers under the H-2A temporary agricultural worker program are required to leave the country for an uninterrupted period of three months before seeking readmission, once they have been in the U.S. for three years. Yet, under these bills, leaving temporarily is too much to ask of illegal agricultural workers.
Amnestying them allows them to bring their whole family here. They cannot sustain their families on those jobs, which is why the men traditionally come up her, send the money home where it stretches farther, then return after that particular crop's season is over.
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:17 AM
 
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Automation, automation, automation.

Agriculture hates the H2A program because they have to provide comfortable conditions and transportation. They gotta pay them even if the harvest isn’t ready or something like that. I have no problem taking those stipulations away, though farms should buy a few buses and shelter pods or something for the workers. Especially if the farms are way out there.

To be honest, farms, masonry/carpentry labor-men and maybe lawn care are the only industries I would allow work visas for. The other industries are just being spoiled babies.
The only one I would allow work visas for are in the agriculture industry and the H-2A visas can be improved. Anything else we have plenty of Americans to do those jobs for a fair wage.
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Old 03-26-2020, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It’s not always easy to define amnesty, but this much is clear: Allowing illegal agricultural workers to remain in the United States as they secure legal status is amnesty.

Yet this is what both of these agricultural immigration bills would do. Illegal agricultural workers wouldn’t even be required to leave the country temporarily as they secure legal status.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/..._q0j2IB-7G0AeI

Why shouldn't these illegal agricultural workers have to follow the same path as those here legally under the H-2A visas? Legal agricultural workers under the H-2A temporary agricultural worker program are required to leave the country for an uninterrupted period of three months before seeking readmission, once they have been in the U.S. for three years. Yet, under these bills, leaving temporarily is too much to ask of illegal agricultural workers.
There is no cap on H-2A visas.

Nonetheless, commercial farms seem to prefer to hire unauthorized workers because it’s cheaper and there are no consequences for doing so.

H2-A requirers employers to pay for transport, housing, meals, healthcare , workers comp and a competitive wage. H2A enables the visa holder to bring a spouse and children who are allowed to enroll in schools.

Right now, today, ICE could fill hundreds of buses in Florida with unauthorized workers and those who economically engage them. Instead, these unauthorized migrant workers will conclude the harvest season in Florida and then begin the migration to other states for harvest season.

Seems no shortage of people damn the workers and continue to ignore those who recruit and economically engage them.
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Old 03-28-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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There is no cap on H-2A visas.

Nonetheless, commercial farms seem to prefer to hire unauthorized workers because it’s cheaper and there are no consequences for doing so.

H2-A requirers employers to pay for transport, housing, meals, healthcare , workers comp and a competitive wage. H2A enables the visa holder to bring a spouse and children who are allowed to enroll in schools.

Right now, today, ICE could fill hundreds of buses in Florida with unauthorized workers and those who economically engage them. Instead, these unauthorized migrant workers will conclude the harvest season in Florida and then begin the migration to other states for harvest season.

Seems no shortage of people damn the workers and continue to ignore those who recruit and economically engage them.
Can’t have the peasants south of the border thinking they have rights. Bad for labor quality.

I didn’t know H2A’s can bring family members. Are you sure? If by chance they can’t, I can see why the workers themselves would rather come illegally. Having illegal family with them could jeopardize their visas. Not worth it.

I’m even more confident now that halting birthright citizenship would be a superb deterrent to out of control illegal immigration. Not to mention birth tourism. It would just change the whole dynamic.
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